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NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

#41

Chris Rock solved this ages ago: "We don't have a gun problem, we have a bullet problem." Make bullets very expensive and hard to get. It makes much more sense to control the supply of gunpowder (and bullets) than that of 3d printers (or guns for that matter).

I hope you know that was a comedy skit and in no way actually does anything but inconvenience actually lawful folks?

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

#42
post #24

Chris Rock solved this ages ago: "We don't have a gun problem, we have a bullet problem." Make bullets very expensive and hard to get. It makes much more sense to control the supply of gunpowder (and bullets) than that of 3d printers (or guns for that matter).

I don't think that would solve anything. If a criminal is willing to get a gun by illegal means, why wouldn't they be willing to do the same for ammunition?

I'd take a look at how NYC tamps down on smoking by both increasing taxes and impounding/raiding any illegal resale of untaxed cigarettes.

You can buy cigarettes for sure, and you can go out of the city to buy cigarettes for less, but for most people they'd rather kick the habit than deal with the entire situation.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you presume this is something people even want at a minimum, this would not be seen as acceptable in the "constitutional carry" states - half of the country

I presume that some people didn't want marijuana to be schedule 1 federally, but here we are 60 years later, and gunpowder as a substance has killed far more people than marijuana in that time.

you might convince a majority to legalize weed, you will not convince a majority to criminalize black powder

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I presume that some people didn't want marijuana to be schedule 1 federally, but here we are 60 years later, and gunpowder as a substance has killed far more people than marijuana in that time.

you might convince a majority to legalize weed, you will not convince a majority to criminalize black powder

A majority of people smoked 70 years ago even though smoking was terrible for their health and those around them. I'm not sure we should enforce the "people's will" to defend such a dangerous substance.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

#45
post #9

I smell performative legislation. What percentage of the guns used to commit crimes in NY include significant parts which were 3D printed at the consumer-ish level? If NY could magically achieve perfect enforcement of this law from the day it went into effect, what percentage of would-be criminals would be more than slightly inconvenienced?

I work in a major city and not once have I come across a violent crime using a 3D printed part. Most firearms used are stolen in the areas we have homicides. This legislation doesn’t make sense.

While I don't think the legislation make sense, I don't think it's not a problem. Here's some statistics:

> Last year, police departments seized at least 25,785 ghost guns nationwide, the Justice Department said recently, and those are just the weapons submitted by police to ATF for tracing, even though they don’t have serial numbers and largely cannot be traced.

> In 2021, the number of guns recovered was 19,344, meaning seizures rose 33 percent the following year. ATF has linked ghost guns to 692 homicides and nonfatal shootings through 2021, including mass killings and school shootings.

- https://wapo.st/3tA4F39

> The report found that annual law enforcement seizures of guns without serial numbers [in California] have risen 16-fold over the last decade, going from fewer than 1,300 in the early 2010s to more than 20,000 in both 2021 and 2022. The rise in ghost guns has happened alongside a pandemic-era surge in gun violence in California and the nation as a whole.

- https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/california-ghost-g...

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

#46

Ok, so dumb question, how many crimes in the US have used a 3d printed gun?

I don't know of any... "non-victimless" crimes committed with 3D printed firearms, but this legislation may be related to the guy in Port Jervis who was caught "manufacturing" via 3D printer this summer. I don't know more details than what's in this article. Though the crime here is manufacturing, the guy must have been distributing them for this narcotics task force to find him.

https://dailyvoice.com/new-york/westorange/port-jervis-man-p...

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

#47
post #9

I smell performative legislation. What percentage of the guns used to commit crimes in NY include significant parts which were 3D printed at the consumer-ish level? If NY could magically achieve perfect enforcement of this law from the day it went into effect, what percentage of would-be criminals would be more than slightly inconvenienced?

Most of what I've been able to find have been people getting busted for manufacturing or possession without an associated violent crime. It also appears a number of departments can't (or won't) recognize printed firearms and just call everything without a serial number a "ghost gun" and call it a day.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

#48

A lot of people forget that the word "press" in the phrase "freedom of the press" refers to an actual printing press, not the modern term that people confuse for corporate journalism. The 3D printing presses should remain equally free. If and when someone commits a crime with a piece of technology, that is when to charge them. We should not normalize the presumption of criminal intent, nor restrict even those that ha…

> A lot of people forget that the word "press" in the phrase "freedom of the press" refers to an actual printing press, not the modern term that people confuse for corporate journalism.

Can you cite that? It's pretty clear that freedom of "speech" isn't limited to literal verbal speech. I'm not sure I've ever seen the suggestion that the authors of the constitution were overly concerned with the literal mechanism of printing, so much as the ability of the citizens to publish information.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

#49
post #48

A lot of people forget that the word "press" in the phrase "freedom of the press" refers to an actual printing press, not the modern term that people confuse for corporate journalism. The 3D printing presses should remain equally free. If and when someone commits a crime with a piece of technology, that is when to charge them. We should not normalize the presumption of criminal intent, nor restrict even those that ha…

> A lot of people forget that the word "press" in the phrase "freedom of the press" refers to an actual printing press, not the modern term that people confuse for corporate journalism. Can you cite that? It's pretty clear that freedom of "speech" isn't limited to literal verbal speech. I'm not sure I've ever seen the suggestion that the authors of the constitution were overly concerned with the literal mechanism of…

It's a reference to how a common talking point against gun rights is "there's no way the founding fathers would have imagined modern day assault rifles, therefore the 2nd amendment shouldn't apply to them"
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