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…yeah no. I have wonderful neighbours. It’s sad that some people don’t.
what do they have against clover? they sound uptight
Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
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#72They'll spray a whole field of wheat with the stuff to dry it out. It's not like you can simply wash off your flour before using it.
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#73Always nice to see Monsanto making the rounds again, or whatever german multinational actually holding their rotten bag.
The Bayer Corporation owns Monsanto. The same company that gave us fluoroquinolones such as Cipro, one of the more vile groups of drugs ever mass prescribed to people. Before that they helped the Nazis perform experiments on prisoners, among other things. Their history is particularly shocking. It makes sense that such an evil corporation would want Monsanto. We're probably lucky they're not directly dumping Roundup…
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Linked to Parkinsons and cancer. And it's still for sale next to fertilizer in the home box store so you can spray your yard and poison your family.
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what do they have against clover? they sound uptight
Clover invades garden beds. It will choke out an edible garden and destroy the aesthetics of an ornamental garden. It will prevent seedlings from thriving. There is absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting clover to invade your garden beds.
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#76Let's just take a pause and consider some key information: -This is an association study -If we CTLR+F "cause", "causing", "causal", etc, the only mention of causation is with extremely high levels of flouride and another mention with extremely high levels of glyphosate and zebrafish Now let's zoom way out, and consider the use of glyphosate in general. If you plot grain yields over time compared to herbicide use ove…
> When you consider cost/acre and calories/acre, it is also abundantly clear that for all its flaws, modern industrial farming is a technological marvel. Modern farming seems optimized for the wrong thing all too often: cheap calories. Calories are important (for basic metabolic needs) but not the whole story. Nutrient density and sustainable practices are worth promoting.
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#77> But when glyphosate encounters certain trace metal ions that make water hard—like magnesium and calcium—glyphosate-metal ion complexes can form. Those complexes can persist up to seven years in water and 22 years in soil. Isn't basically all water outside hard water? How did public health agencies miss this?
- https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/16/revealed-mo...
- https://ahrp.org/a-profit-enhancing-policy-shift-trumps-publ...
- https://corporateeurope.org/en/2016/10/monsanto-lobbying
- https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/youll-never-guess-how-much-b...
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> Peer-reviewed research isn’t a great standard, imo, for many reasons. What is your recommended alternative?
Depends on the topic. If you're trying to prove (or, more accurately, fail to falsify) a certain set of results or a discovery, open data plus reproducibility should be the gold standard. If you're trying to make decisions about personal health, it pays to take a cautious approach (IMO) and let people decide for themselves. It is not inconceivable that commercial entities finance "peer-reviewed research" in order to…