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NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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#41

What next, they'll ban transporting 3D printers across state borders and have the cops go around knocking down doors hunting for unlicensed 3D printers? Otherwise people would just buy them interstate.

Ban stepper motors as the precursor to 3d printers. Shit, ban copper wire.

Wait until they find out about machine shops that can make anything out of metal!

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

#42

That amendment is so overly broad the author should be forced to re-take some sort of how to draft bills class. It would require fingerprinting for purchases of "certain 3D printers". What does that even mean? I guess the existing law defined what "firearm" means in the context of that law, but if I was a retailer selling 3D printers, I would have some serious questions about it. My 5-year-old entry level 3D printer…

In New York legislation is drafted by attorneys, the elected person and their staff don't usually write them. It's still bloody awful but I think it's worse because an actual attorney was supposed to write this

In most places, the legislation is drafted by special interest groups.

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#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ghost gun use in U.S. crimes has risen more than 1,000% since 2017, federal report says : https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ghost-gun-use-crimes-1000-perce... Number of 3D-printed ghost guns soaring in New York : https://abc7ny.com/nyc-ghost-guns-3d-printed-printer/1334500... 3D Printed Gun Arrests Tripled in Less Than Two Years – 3DPrint.com Investigates : https://3dprint.com/291684/3d-printed-gun-arrests-tripled-in...

A 3D printed gun can be a ghost gun, but a ghost gun is not inherently 3D printed (99%+ aren't)

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Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not a crime AFAIK.

Should you 3d print an auto sear (a little bracket-looking thing) then you're in possession of a machine gun, which is illegal.

Why was this downvoted?

The federal laws do state that "possession of specific machine gun parts is considered possession of a machine gun"

Machine gun sears included. Also parts that convert a semi-automatic into a machine gun like a Lightening Link.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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post #39

That amendment is so overly broad the author should be forced to re-take some sort of how to draft bills class. It would require fingerprinting for purchases of "certain 3D printers". What does that even mean? I guess the existing law defined what "firearm" means in the context of that law, but if I was a retailer selling 3D printers, I would have some serious questions about it. My 5-year-old entry level 3D printer…

I also think the law is bad. I do want to point out that if you want to make durable parts with a 3D printer, the easiest thing to do would be to create the part with the printer, then use it to form a mold for casting the part out of metal. Then case harden. That's the cheap and fairly easy way. I just want to point that out because I think that use case of 3D printers gets overlooked. Or you buy a fairly expensive…

My first thought was, will this apply to basically all machinery? Because for about $2000 I can buy a mill kit that I can manufactur a complete firearm on.

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#47
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At that point it seems simpler to turn a couple of sticks and some string into a bow and arrow.

No, I'm just going to go down to Lowes and buy a couple pieces of pipe, a nail, and then go find some shotgun shells. It's time that New York bans hardware stores, obviously.

NY Legislature: "Hold my beer!"

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#48
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What makes a 3D printer different from a lathe or a CNC?

ITAR is all over the lathe/CNC world - I'm an industrial/controls engineer, and have to do compliance reviews, "production of arms" forms, and "destination control statements" for the machines we build. The main difference is that cheap 3D printers are $200 and can be carried to your bedroom, instead of $200k+, requiring riggers and 3-phase power. Yes, you can buy old Bridgeports and Pacemakers on Craigslist, or chea…

I think the "good news" for this law (not the is that those "New York gangsters" are more likely people who instead of making flimsy homemade firearms, might've otherwise been forced to buy random part X at price Y from company Z, the only people who ever manufactured and sold the part you need, don't do it anymore, have no interest in doing it anymore, and so costs exorbitant fees as they offload the remaining inventory, if they have any at all.

I just don't really see another really good reason for well paid people to be spending their time making a fuss about things that practically don't happen, especially compared to the ease of procuring a "real" firearm.

However it is seemingly pretty common for lobbyists to weaken consumer's positions even if it doesn't bring a tangible, concrete benefit, and seems merely...vindictive/petty.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

#49

The proposal is for 3D printers that are capable of printing a firearm, or firearm component. Which is actually really broad. From what I can find, NY law doesn't define "firearm component", but it does define "major firearm component" to include "barrel, slide, cylinder, frame or receiver". And I imagine pretty much any decent 3d printer can print a receiver for a gun designed to be 3d printed...

At that point it seems simpler to turn a couple of sticks and some string into a bow and arrow.

Just get a brick....too late, now every brick needs to be barcoded with the biometric details of the purchaser.

Such a law makes sense in countries like the UK, where it is extremely hard to get a gun as a normal civilian. The guns produced by 3D printer can be fired a limited number of time, and a long car drive allows you to buy a gun legally in the US.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

#50

Are there any documented cases of people actually committing crimes with a 3D printed firearm?

Ghost gun use in U.S. crimes has risen more than 1,000% since 2017, federal report says : https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ghost-gun-use-crimes-1000-perce... Number of 3D-printed ghost guns soaring in New York : https://abc7ny.com/nyc-ghost-guns-3d-printed-printer/1334500... 3D Printed Gun Arrests Tripled in Less Than Two Years – 3DPrint.com Investigates : https://3dprint.com/291684/3d-printed-gun-arrests-tripled-in...

Those are all 80% polymers.

Ghost Gun != 3D printed firearm

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