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Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by e12e »

syntaxing wrote: post #5

If you only can buy this or a M2 MBP, which one would you get?

I'm not sure they appeal to the same group of users. macOS is IMNHO much worse than GNU/Linux with a proper window manager, much less comfortable to use with multiple desktops, and forces the use of a mouse/trackpad way too much.[1]

The m2 can run Linux - but external display support is probably a long way off.

So for the user wanting to run Linux - m2 isn't really viable - unless you actually work on it with just the built-in screen - for me that doesn't work ergonomically.

I have the m2 - it's not terrible - I suspect I'd prefer one of these.

[1] Rectangle and AutoRaise helps a lot, making the UX livable:

https://github.com/sbmpost/AutoRaise

https://github.com/rxhanson/Rectangle

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by nicolaslem »

nicolaslem wrote: post #128
sva_ wrote: post #43

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That's exactly what mine showed when ASPM wasn't enabled. Before that I got at most about 9 hours doing nothing, after enabling it I got about 14 hours even doing light webbrowsing and such. I made a Reddit post about it today, enabling it under Linux manually. Many people have been complaining about low battery life on the Elitebook 845 G10, and most people suspected missing ASPM support to be the culprit. The nice…

Thank you very much for that, my G9 hovers around 5 W idle which is not great. I will try these tweaks. Note that there is a GUI app called "Power Statistics" that shows the evolution of power consumption on battery quite well. It still uses data reported by the battery which is not super accurate but works well enough when looking at say an hour of data points.

Unfortunately no clear improvement for me after applying these tweaks.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by bootloop »

nrp wrote: post #173
bootloop wrote: post #134

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How was the experience from not being acknowledge by AMD, because you were not big enough, to going to be the first once shipping their new flagship laptop CPU after all their other customers moved their timeline out? I imagine their willingness to support you did increase in the last few months? Eagerly awaiting my batch to ship. Very happy that I see a great team being in charge of this product. Also thanks for bei…

AMD is a smaller company than you might expect, which drives them to need to focus. Once they got internal alignment to work with us though, they were all in from the start of kicking off the program.

Very nice to hear that they are able to provide good support to you. I don't work with AMD but other SoC vendors and this is always a bit of a challenge (The Q on how important you are to their business / bottom line).

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by sphars »

binkHN wrote: post #167
sphars wrote: post #159

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Had this happen on my T14. I switched the sleep BIOS setting to Linux to bring back S3 sleep in Windows and stop using modern standby.

For what it's worth, the latest ThinkPads don't have S3 as an option in the BIOS anymore.

Good to know, I have a first gen, I'll keep that in mind when I need to upgrade

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by infinityplus1 »

OJFord wrote: post #117
Zardoz84 wrote: post #85

> I noticed Slack was incredibly fuzzy…. it doesn’t use Wayland. People should stop using that crappy Electron Apps, that does exactly the same thing that opening a webapp page on a tab of your browser. Seriously, you are wasting RAM and CPU (and battery) doing that. And this it's totally independent of you using Windows, OSX, Linux, BSD... I use Slack and Discord from the web browser, and I don't have any issues. Al…

Browsers should have a good way of running a kiosked-ish tab in a native-like way then. I don't want to switch to my browser for Slack and then dig through tabs to find it, I want just to switch to Slack.

Just pin the tab to keep it at a fixed place. I pin Gmail and Slack as these are frequently accessed by me.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by inertiatic »

Moldoteck wrote: post #135
inertiatic wrote: post #103

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I'm on a 6850U Ryzen Windows machine and it's really smooth. Previously I too was using an 11th gen XPS 13 but on Linux, where battery was approximately 2 hours long. This machine feels both smooth, cool and for my usages there's no slowdowns on battery either (usually running few browser windows, a VM that's not taxed too hard and an IDE).

and how many hours of battery you get on this ryzen?

Brand new laptop so haven't got a chance to really get a good sense of an average. I think depending on the workload I got 9-12 hours thus far.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by wesapien »

zackify wrote: post #2

I just got this device on Monday, been waiting for over half a year for it. I love it, but also wow, so many random things I have had to do the past few days. I think this provides a good prospective compared to all the mainstream posts about it that aren't going in depth on linux and the usability on there at this current time. Overall, I love this device!

Would you have the same experience if some gave you a Thinkpad instead? Seems like most issues are Linux related and non-Linux users would have the most sooprise about having to config/diy/hack/tweak/script something. No?

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by felixg3 »

Kelteseth wrote: post #55
nrp wrote: post #51

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As the original poster noted, this seems to be an interaction between the specific access point or router and the AMD RZ616 driver, and not something that other users are seeing on their home networks. The RZ616 is AMD's rebrand of MediaTek MT7921K. Mediatek does have a dedicated team working on Linux drivers, but we haven't seen their or AMD's plans: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek All of…

So my Framework laptop is currently in transit. In theory, I would just swap the AMD wifi card with an 25 euro Intel AX210?

You can also replace the MediaTek RZ616 with a Qualcomm FastConnect 6900 card, which is equally supported by AMD and default on their Ryzen Pro models. I’m very happy with mine, got it from eBay.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by zackify »

nrp wrote: post #39

I'm happy to help answer questions folks have on the product. We (without intending to) ended up being among the first to ship a Ryzen 7040 U-series laptop, which means Linux support is early and depends on having the right kernel version. As others have noted in the comments, we were in a similar place when we were one of the earlier ones on both 12th Gen Intel Core and 13th Gen Intel Core, and both matured rapidly.…

Just wanted to reply to you once more.

I’ve seen multiple other forum users unable to update fingerprint sensors in Linux with the same problem I had.

Also I’ve seen threads asking why Ubuntu freezes and if anyone else is having problems.

You guys explained in 1 forum post that amd is working on a fix for the second issue, and nobody has really mentioned the fwupd freezes some of us run into.

It’s just one more example of stuff in too many places. The official Ubuntu install guide doesn’t mention a new fix is coming to fix freezes and the place that does is a forum post that many people may miss.

Need 1 hub page for each device with some sort of stream of updates.

I have to bookmark the bios guide page to find out if new ones are out, a forum post to see if there is new changes with Ubuntu, stuff is a little far apart and manual process to find updates.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by OJFord »

infinityplus1 wrote: post #185
OJFord wrote: post #117

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Browsers should have a good way of running a kiosked-ish tab in a native-like way then. I don't want to switch to my browser for Slack and then dig through tabs to find it, I want just to switch to Slack.

Just pin the tab to keep it at a fixed place. I pin Gmail and Slack as these are frequently accessed by me.

I would still have to switch back to it from whatever other tab I was looking at. I don't want to do that.

I will continue installing a specific app just for that, even if it didn't have other benefits (which it does: no browser frame, systray icon, native notifications, ...)

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