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Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by bubblethink »

sofixa wrote: post #76
bubblethink wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances. - No insert key - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. - Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken, s2idle sleep fails occasionally, gets stuck in lowest frequency sometimes, several others that have slowly been fixed on mainline - Battery life is pretty medioc…

> No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. Just a guess, but is the monitor over HDMI or USB C / Thunderbolt? If the later, there may be BIOS settings to enable it before boot is completed (IIRC on Dells it's disabled).

Yeah, it's behind a dock. I'll check the bios. IIRC, I had tried various settings in the bios to no avail.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by lhl »

SamuelAdams wrote: post #13

How does the sound / speaker system compare to a MacBook Pro? In my experience Apple just blows every other manufacturer out of the water with sound quality.

According to Notebookcheck, the latest speakers that Framework uses are actually pretty decent, about 85th percentile (MBP16 is 100th percentiled): https://www.notebookcheck.net/Framework-Laptop-13-5-Ryzen-7-...

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by ncallaway »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #71
ncallaway wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been running linux (Fedora) on my intel Framework laptop for a little over a year. I’ve had no issues.

Which Intel Gen? On my 12th gen the brightness keys didn't even work out of the box on Fedora (IIRC they've been working on the fix since 2022). There's also random freezes that you can only fix by tweaking some SSD boot param (but only some SSDs are impacted)

11th gen, I think?

I did have a period of random freezes, but mine was RAM related (I had bought some RAM from Newegg, which I think was bad; I returned it and haven’t had any problems since I swapped it out).

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by hifycycyv »

brosco wrote: post #10

I've had my Framework 12 over a year now, so maybe I can give some perspective. I had a lot of similar issues (mostly with wifi) running Fedora when I first got it. I also felt like I wasted a lot of time getting it set up and fixing little bugs here and there. But I'm happy to say that after the first two weeks or so, it's been rock solid. The issues I had with wifi were patched pretty quickly, and everything else p…

Buying a new laptop and running Linux pretty much always requires running mainline kernels for a few weeks or months until things get fixed. Same thing happens for ThinkPad and others.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by chpatrick »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #102
semiquaver wrote: post #52

Power management is where the framework laptops really suffer under Linux. I truly prefer Linux as an OS but my framework goes unused in favor of my MacBook Air because the former simply can’t hold a charge for more than a few days of standby or a few hours of use. I believe it’s the WiFi firmware which is known to have bad power management support on Linux.

> can’t hold a charge for more than a few days of standby I don't own a Framework, but also have the battery draining for no reason issue on mine. I think the cause is the new "modern standby", where the laptop doesn't actually sleep. Windows mitigates this by switching to hibernation if you leave it "asleep" for a while and unplugged.

It might be worth trying the mem_sleep_default=deep kernel parameter

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by OJFord »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #85

> I noticed Slack was incredibly fuzzy…. it doesn’t use Wayland. People should stop using that crappy Electron Apps, that does exactly the same thing that opening a webapp page on a tab of your browser. Seriously, you are wasting RAM and CPU (and battery) doing that. And this it's totally independent of you using Windows, OSX, Linux, BSD... I use Slack and Discord from the web browser, and I don't have any issues. Al…

Browsers should have a good way of running a kiosked-ish tab in a native-like way then.

I don't want to switch to my browser for Slack and then dig through tabs to find it, I want just to switch to Slack.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by zekica »

nrp wrote: post #51
voltagex_ wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any hope for the wifi bugs mentioned in the article? I was trying to avoid reviews like this because I didn't want to be thinking about all the problems instead of looking forward to my new laptop. I am now wondering if I should have gone Intel.

As the original poster noted, this seems to be an interaction between the specific access point or router and the AMD RZ616 driver, and not something that other users are seeing on their home networks. The RZ616 is AMD's rebrand of MediaTek MT7921K. Mediatek does have a dedicated team working on Linux drivers, but we haven't seen their or AMD's plans: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek All of…

I bought MT7921K on a PCIe card for two older PCs and they work fine, AX210 is better but Mediatek is not bad - between two of them on 6GHz they managed >1Gbps and didn't lock up at all even after 200GB.

Just had to use at least Linux 6.1 or newer and had to set regulator domain manually... Compiling upstream mt76 enabled even more stability and also enabled AP+STA operation.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by nicolaslem »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #96
bubblethink wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances. - No insert key - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. - Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken, s2idle sleep fails occasionally, gets stuck in lowest frequency sometimes, several others that have slowly been fixed on mainline - Battery life is pretty medioc…

> - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. That's weird. I have the g8 and there is no such issue. I routinely type my LUKS password on my external keyboard and monitor. The only thing that doesn't show up on the external screen IIRC is the boot selection menu.

I can confirm, I have the G9 using my monitor as a dock (thanks USB-C :) and I can type LUKS passwords on it just fine.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by Jhsto »

nrp wrote: post #39

I'm happy to help answer questions folks have on the product. We (without intending to) ended up being among the first to ship a Ryzen 7040 U-series laptop, which means Linux support is early and depends on having the right kernel version. As others have noted in the comments, we were in a similar place when we were one of the earlier ones on both 12th Gen Intel Core and 13th Gen Intel Core, and both matured rapidly.…

Any idea when you could do an Intel or AMD device with coreboot?
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