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Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

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Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

#41

Enjoy the remote work now. It is a bubble. Any job that can be worked 100% remotely can equally be 100% outsourced to a cheaper labor market. Those who had normal jobs pre-covid, and since are totally remote, ride a wave of higher wages. That wave will crash the day employers realize they can find cheaper talent online. If you work remotely then you have to be competative at an international level. Maybe you really a…

I am perfectly fine with that, what are you trying to say with this?

Do you want to compete with people who are just as smart or smarter than you, probably speak multiple languages, and are willing to work for 5-10% of what you get paid?

pretty sure that is what the OP is trying to say.

Some will thrive, many will not.

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

#42

Enjoy the remote work now. It is a bubble. Any job that can be worked 100% remotely can equally be 100% outsourced to a cheaper labor market. Those who had normal jobs pre-covid, and since are totally remote, ride a wave of higher wages. That wave will crash the day employers realize they can find cheaper talent online. If you work remotely then you have to be competative at an international level. Maybe you really a…

Outsourcing to Indian companies like HCL was a thing way before covid and remote work. Results were varied. I never felt threatened as a remote employee

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

#43

Enjoy the remote work now. It is a bubble. Any job that can be worked 100% remotely can equally be 100% outsourced to a cheaper labor market. Those who had normal jobs pre-covid, and since are totally remote, ride a wave of higher wages. That wave will crash the day employers realize they can find cheaper talent online. If you work remotely then you have to be competative at an international level. Maybe you really a…

Outsourcing to Indian companies like HCL was a thing way before covid and remote work. Results were varied. I never felt threatened as a remote employee

Everyone looks to india, but that isnt the only cheaper labor market. If you work a tech job in the bay area, the most threatening labor market isnt india or china, but west virginia and alabama. The most direct threat isn't the overseas person willing to work for 10% of your wage, but your drop-in replacement willing to work for 80% of your wage because they are paying 50% less in rent.

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

#44

Enjoy the remote work now. It is a bubble. Any job that can be worked 100% remotely can equally be 100% outsourced to a cheaper labor market. Those who had normal jobs pre-covid, and since are totally remote, ride a wave of higher wages. That wave will crash the day employers realize they can find cheaper talent online. If you work remotely then you have to be competative at an international level. Maybe you really a…

Sure, if you believe the talent in those cheaper labour markets is actually equivalent. That's probably not the case, though.

Still, I think there is some truth to stay you say. I've always worked jobs that require me to come in occasionally to meet my users and get hands on experience with equipment they will be working with (like expensive lab equipment). For me the big win is that I can primarily do my programming from home, but my job could never be fully nor could it be outsourced.

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outsourcing to Indian companies like HCL was a thing way before covid and remote work. Results were varied. I never felt threatened as a remote employee

Everyone looks to india, but that isnt the only cheaper labor market. If you work a tech job in the bay area, the most threatening labor market isnt india or china, but west virginia and alabama. The most direct threat isn't the overseas person willing to work for 10% of your wage, but your drop-in replacement willing to work for 80% of your wage because they are paying 50% less in rent.

Wouldn't a Bay Area company outsourcing to West Virginia just be remote work?

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am perfectly fine with that, what are you trying to say with this?

Do you want to compete with people who are just as smart or smarter than you, probably speak multiple languages, and are willing to work for 5-10% of what you get paid? pretty sure that is what the OP is trying to say. Some will thrive, many will not.

That's always been the case anyway. Remote work doesn't change that.

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

#47

Enjoy the remote work now. It is a bubble. Any job that can be worked 100% remotely can equally be 100% outsourced to a cheaper labor market. Those who had normal jobs pre-covid, and since are totally remote, ride a wave of higher wages. That wave will crash the day employers realize they can find cheaper talent online. If you work remotely then you have to be competative at an international level. Maybe you really a…

> outsourced to a cheaper labor market

Have you hired any contractors outside the US lately? They may not be SV level, but hourly rates that translate into 150k-250k yearly are fairly standard through any contracting firm for people with experience. Can the lone, amazing and cheap person be found? Sure, but that's not how companies operate at scale.

Also, I've been told since I was studying CS in the late 90s that going into programming was a poor career choice because everything would be outsourced to India. Here we are almost 25 years later...

As far as AI is concerned, sure some jobs will be displaced. But, IMO the vast majority of AI will be a productivity multiplier. I've yet to be a part of company that doesn't have a list of projects a mile long they would work on if given more programmer time. Customer expectations will also increase and eventually we'll settle at a new, higher baseline where everyone is using AI to get more done.

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

#48

Remote vs office is just smoke and mirrors. A company with a good product will thrive no matter the policy. Making a big deal of returning your cattle to the farm is just to soothe investors when you have a subpar product

> A company with a good product will thrive no matter the policy A different way to say it is "If you found a gold mine, you can afford to do things others can't". 99% of companies don't sit on gold mines like Nvidia.

Maybe they would be able to afford more if they didn't spend so much of the budget on renting out offices, eh? Remote work has gotta be leagues cheaper, even if you own the building you still don't even have to pay people their commute fees.

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

#49
Ok, I'll bite the bullet: how do you train interns and/or junior employees in a fully remote environment?

I only have two years of experience so I'm still super new, but it's something I'm confronted with this, and I just don't know how to train people in a fully remote environment. It's from little things to catching an intern who doesn't know a couple extremely handy shortcuts with tools that they are still learning, to just generally noticing that they're struggling and stepping in to give them a hint / engage in a discussion, I just love the kind of "hands-on" aspect that you get from working in a non-remote environment. I want to ask my intern (my team is pretty small so we just take one intern at a time), to come 3 days a week at least just to be able to go through training with them like that, I recognise that people don't like it but I don't know how to do otherwise. I also can't help but feel like it helps to integrate the new team member in the team better, whereas a fully remote employee may end up being left out when part of of the team do see each other in office once or twice a week. But the prospect of either having a 2h long zoom call to see them act in a step by step manner, or to give them tasks and leave them by themselves until like 3h later to check in and see "ok, so, what'd you do? Oh, you got stuck on some dumb problem for 1h?" Feels shitty too. And I can totally understand interns that don't dare ask questions on slack for fear of bothering people in case they ask too many. Being able to just turn your head and ask someone next to you or a couple desks down is just so much easier.

I don't mind people being remote once they've gained a sense of independence, but I feel like I just can't do the first 2-4 months with an intern fully remote.

How do you guys do it?

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am perfectly fine with that, what are you trying to say with this?

Do you want to compete with people who are just as smart or smarter than you, probably speak multiple languages, and are willing to work for 5-10% of what you get paid? pretty sure that is what the OP is trying to say. Some will thrive, many will not.

If those people are really that smart, they won’t work for 5-10% of US rates for long, but eventually find the highest bidder.
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