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Post by pieter_mj »

ethbr1 wrote: post #110
bwanab wrote: post #94

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Absolutism isn't the point. We all know that there are limits - the classic example of yelling fire in a crowed theater. And as somebody below pointed out, no country has full freedom of speech and while that is true the US does have freedom of speech enshrined in its founding documents as the first amendment. For most other countries, it's not a clear "right" except by common practice and legislation that could be e…

The limits in the US are essentially action . You can say whatever you want. But when you take an illegal action (or, grey area, compel someone else to take an action) then you lose free speech protections. "Fire" in a movie theater is the classic example of the court deciding what sort of speech consitutes compelling action. This in contrast to other many other countries, where there is no guarantee that speech-that…

US style free speech is a huge driving force for innovation. We'll see the opposite soon when the EU tries to regulate AI.

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Post by pauldenton »

rangerelf wrote: post #124
StopTheWorld wrote: post #100

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Booker Prize winner Arundhati Roy gave a speech 13 years ago saying Kashmir was never an integral part of India, and New Delhi just announced she is going to be prosecuted for her speech https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/booker-winner-a...

Please don't conflate issues. Retroactively applying laws to target your political enemies has nothing to do with censorship laws (except using them as an excuse) and everything to do with corruption and authoritarianism. Donald Trump promised to prosecute everyone he holds a grudge against if he was elected president again, and the USA has constitutionally enshrined free speech laws.

Donald Trump talked about "locking her up". Joe Biden is actually "locking him up" and is using lawfare as an alternative to campaigning as a way to win

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Post by scarface_74 »

pauldenton wrote: post #162
rangerelf wrote: post #124

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Please don't conflate issues. Retroactively applying laws to target your political enemies has nothing to do with censorship laws (except using them as an excuse) and everything to do with corruption and authoritarianism. Donald Trump promised to prosecute everyone he holds a grudge against if he was elected president again, and the USA has constitutionally enshrined free speech laws.

Donald Trump talked about "locking her up". Joe Biden is actually "locking him up" and is using lawfare as an alternative to campaigning as a way to win

So there is a great national conspiracy that Joe Biden is leading across 4 states with 96 indictments?

The GA Republican governor is not denouncing the Atlanta DA

Was the recording of Trump asking a Republican governor to “find votes” to help him win a deep fake?

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Post by scarface_74 »

malermeister wrote: post #142
nvm0n2 wrote: post #139

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The EU Parliament isn't really a parliament, so that argument doesn't work. If it was really a parliament the Commission would work for the MEPs and they'd be the ones deciding the law. In the EU it's the other way around. The way they play games with words doesn't make it a democratic system, it is however a very effective tool for the EU to muddy the water and confuse people into thinking it has greater legitimacy…

So which part do you see as undemocratic? The parliament is directly elected by the EU populace. The council is the heads of state, which are elected by the respective national electorate. The commission is appointed by those same elected national governments. Is that appointment process not democratic because its one layer of indirection? It's the same thing that happens for pretty much any minister/secretary in pre…

So maybe the answer is that more government power should be closer to the people they affect?

Yes, I know the shit show that “states rights” were in the US

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Post by pauldenton »

scarface_74 wrote: post #163
pauldenton wrote: post #162

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Donald Trump talked about "locking her up". Joe Biden is actually "locking him up" and is using lawfare as an alternative to campaigning as a way to win

So there is a great national conspiracy that Joe Biden is leading across 4 states with 96 indictments? The GA Republican governor is not denouncing the Atlanta DA Was the recording of Trump asking a Republican governor to “find votes” to help him win a deep fake?

There's obviously differential enforcement if you compare how Classified documents and Hunter Biden are handled.

We could talk about the great national conspiracy that Donald Trump lead in collusion with Russia that made him an illegitimate president, or so said the Media until the Mueller report could not find Donald Trump conspiring with Russians

Was the recording of Barack Obama telling Medvedev that he would give Russia "flexibility" so long as Putin limited aggression until after he was re-elected a deep fake? Was the Subsequent 2014 invasion of Crimea and lack of response by Obama's administration a deep fake or just Obama repaying his half of the Bargain?

Re: Europe gives Mark Zuckerberg 24 hours to respond about Israel-Hamas conflict

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Post by scarface_74 »

pauldenton wrote: post #165
scarface_74 wrote: post #163

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So there is a great national conspiracy that Joe Biden is leading across 4 states with 96 indictments? The GA Republican governor is not denouncing the Atlanta DA Was the recording of Trump asking a Republican governor to “find votes” to help him win a deep fake?

There's obviously differential enforcement if you compare how Classified documents and Hunter Biden are handled. We could talk about the great national conspiracy that Donald Trump lead in collusion with Russia that made him an illegitimate president, or so said the Media until the Mueller report could not find Donald Trump conspiring with Russians Was the recording of Barack Obama telling Medvedev that he would give…

Trump was repeatedly asked to turn over documents and he didn’t.

And “Hunter Biden” I was never an elected government officials.

You keep focusing on one or two national things and not the 91 indictments including the ones on the state level.

And Obama never had to call public officials to try to “find votes” or to try to convince his VP to not certify the election - he actually won twice.

Again are you accusing Biden who wasn’t an elected official while Trump was in office of having anything to do with the investigations? Are you accusing him of coordinating state prosecutions that even the Republican governor of GA is saying is legitimate?

As far as Obama

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/nov/14/obamas-hot-mi...

I’m sure you’re now going to site evidence that the “election was stolen”

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