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Very few countries have freedom of speech enshrined quite as forcefully as it is in the United States. One really has to wonder where this is going to go? I understand why they want to do it, but once a censorship regime is established it will be very difficult to dislodge. What happens when the next set of elections puts in somebody who uses that power for less than ideal purposes?
What I theorized 10 years ago - balkanization of the internet - a GFW for each country/jurisdiction, and large entities like FAAMG forced to either play ball (and allow country censors), split up their operations, or leave markets.
The people/businesses there would be quite pissed off and finally pay attention to who is making these decisions. Thats the worst thing a politician can want: a spotlight on them.
Recall the anti-SOPA movement? They changed their tune real quick after that. Frankly the EU is playing the same game as China. They are exploiting capitalism's weakness in an effort to force their will on these companies.
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You can vote however you want, it was a small joke. I was drawing attention to the fact that "disinformation" is at it's core, someone who has no right to vote in an election trying to influence those who do, and how we often paint lawful, protected speech as disinformation, either by direct retorts "Russian bot!" or... downvoting. Vote however you want friends, I play by "Whose Line" rules -- it's all made up and th…
> I was drawing attention to the fact that "disinformation" is at it's core, someone who has no right to vote in an election trying to influence those who do While the terminology is still awful, I think this was an insightful attempt toward trying to frame the issue as exported propaganda by foreign actors.
thank you. i need to be more diplomatic, but i don't like having my patriotism questioned when i haven't left the country since the obama administration and i have to admit, i went to a dark place after feeling like my advice was repeatedly ignored in parallel with my integrity being questioned.
but... yeah... i DO need to joke less.
Very few countries have freedom of speech enshrined quite as forcefully as it is in the United States. One really has to wonder where this is going to go? I understand why they want to do it, but once a censorship regime is established it will be very difficult to dislodge. What happens when the next set of elections puts in somebody who uses that power for less than ideal purposes?
I'm not sure this "freedom of speech" absolutism is such a good idea. A society needs to put limits on behavior of its individuals to be sane. I support that people can express whatever opinion they have, but not in any way they want.
But, the point is, we should always have the presumption of freedom of speech. As a matter of course that means we also must have certain responsibilities for the consequences of exercising that freedom. This last point often gets overlooked.
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I'm not sure this "freedom of speech" absolutism is such a good idea. A society needs to put limits on behavior of its individuals to be sane. I support that people can express whatever opinion they have, but not in any way they want.
Absolutism isn't the point. We all know that there are limits - the classic example of yelling fire in a crowed theater. And as somebody below pointed out, no country has full freedom of speech and while that is true the US does have freedom of speech enshrined in its founding documents as the first amendment. For most other countries, it's not a clear "right" except by common practice and legislation that could be e…
Misinformation. No examples of such. Not even for which side. Hard to disagree with a blanket “avoid misinformation”. But I guess that's the point.
I can share some, for Twitter/X at any rate. Employees of Rebel Media (far-right Canadian media org with an agenda) have been caught organizing the posting of old footage of IDF incursions in the West Bank and Gaza dubbed over (poorly) with soundtracks of Arab men laughing to make it look like Palestinian militants were caging Israeli children, knocking down doors, and otherwise being inhumane. This tweet calls them…
The core issue is the type of person who's viewing snuff films and the like, to the point they're in the muck when folks like me are waiting a few days for an editor to decide how much we need to see.
I remember walking into Phar Mor after the Oklahoma City Federal Building was bombed, the dead baby on the cover.
People were angry -- said it was obscene.
But it made things change.
Not the bombing -- but seeing the aftermath.
Then folks pointed out worse had happned in the gulf but... I don't know how to escape these cycles when in the time from when you form memories to the time you can vote, so many conflicts have been started and no one ever wants to stand down when they're on the side with more resources and weapons.
Someone gave me a book to read about the early days of Israel, and they talk about how when they were going back and forth, the rabbi told the settlers do not go out tonight, do not relatiate, do not continue this cycle.
Flash forward, and people would talk about concern about mosques near ground zero but never the churches who do minor terrors so many more times over that do not make the news.
In fact, the main reason I abandoned one of my boyhood dreams is someone from the FBI straight up told me they'd never investigate the white nationalists, and that by the time I'd finished handing fake TNT to Tunisians, my IT skills would be as atrophied as my personal relationships.
And then they came and groped my girlfriends and rolled a tank through little Italy and expected not so much as a peep the next Easter Egg painting?
Entitled violent fascists, horrible in body, mind and soul.
Life is not black and white but... let's not lose sight that there are people consuming this media the way they consume a horror film.
Very few countries have freedom of speech enshrined quite as forcefully as it is in the United States. One really has to wonder where this is going to go? I understand why they want to do it, but once a censorship regime is established it will be very difficult to dislodge. What happens when the next set of elections puts in somebody who uses that power for less than ideal purposes?
I'm not sure this "freedom of speech" absolutism is such a good idea. A society needs to put limits on behavior of its individuals to be sane. I support that people can express whatever opinion they have, but not in any way they want.
Just look at how Indian politicians abuse hate speech laws. A classic example: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/16/media/india-bbc-office-raid-t...
"Officials had spent three days raiding the spaces following the country’s ban on a BBC documentary that was critical of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s alleged role in deadly riots more than 20 years ago. "
"Now ranked between Turkey and Sudan, India dropped eight places to 150 out of 180 nations in last year’s World Press Freedom Index published by the Paris-based group, Reporters Without Borders. "
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> I was drawing attention to the fact that "disinformation" is at it's core, someone who has no right to vote in an election trying to influence those who do While the terminology is still awful, I think this was an insightful attempt toward trying to frame the issue as exported propaganda by foreign actors.
>while the terminology is still awful, I think this was an insightful attempt toward trying to frame the issue as exported propaganda by foreign actors thank you. i need to be more diplomatic, but i don't like having my patriotism questioned when i haven't left the country since the obama administration and i have to admit, i went to a dark place after feeling like my advice was repeatedly ignored in parallel with my…
Please don't; I thought it was funny once I understood what you meant by DSA. By awful terminology, I referred to the whole concept of disinformation (and misinformation and whatnot).
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You can vote however you want, it was a small joke. I was drawing attention to the fact that "disinformation" is at it's core, someone who has no right to vote in an election trying to influence those who do, and how we often paint lawful, protected speech as disinformation, either by direct retorts "Russian bot!" or... downvoting. Vote however you want friends, I play by "Whose Line" rules -- it's all made up and th…
> I was drawing attention to the fact that "disinformation" is at it's core, someone who has no right to vote in an election trying to influence those who do While the terminology is still awful, I think this was an insightful attempt toward trying to frame the issue as exported propaganda by foreign actors.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure this "freedom of speech" absolutism is such a good idea. A society needs to put limits on behavior of its individuals to be sane. I support that people can express whatever opinion they have, but not in any way they want.
> A society needs to put limits on behavior of its individuals to be sane Just look at how Indian politicians abuse hate speech laws. A classic example: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/16/media/india-bbc-office-raid-t... "Officials had spent three days raiding the spaces following the country’s ban on a BBC documentary that was critical of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s alleged role in deadly riots more than 20 years ago…