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Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by pjettter »

Wistar wrote: post #633
breakfastduck wrote: post #586

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Most plugins used in music software do take that approach. Where the plugin interfaces are modelled to look 'like hardware' in most cases, with nobs, sliders, all the things you'd expect on a hardware compressor / synth etc. I like it.

The dressing up of digital controls to mimic analog controls is called skeuomorphic although I have not encountered the term in a long time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeuomorph

Yes, the “digital version” that mimics the analog one. It was cute in the mid 90’s.

I want actual physical knobs.not sure what that would be called. Potentiometers?

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by pjettter »

utexaspunk wrote: post #614
breakfastduck wrote: post #586

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Most plugins used in music software do take that approach. Where the plugin interfaces are modelled to look 'like hardware' in most cases, with nobs, sliders, all the things you'd expect on a hardware compressor / synth etc. I like it.

Knobs on a mouse UI suck

Halleluja!

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by adevopsguy »

Muehe wrote: post #446
adevopsguy wrote: post #363

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I agree. The distro I am using lets me move windows by holding down Meta/Super key and left mouse button - anywhere in the window. Firefox is an example of how terrible it can get, see this screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/zs2wekv.png . To move this window I can either click to the left of the Firefox icon (to the left in image) or between the arrow down and minimize to the right.

This is a X11 feature AFAIK. Meta+Right-click resizes the window by the way.

> This is a X11 feature AFAIK

Good to know!

> Meta+Right-click resizes the window by the way.

Yep, I use it all the time, killer feature!

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by vonjuice »

alpaca128 wrote: post #370
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #356

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Is it as easy as that? Upvote assuming you were being sarcastic.

No, based on their keybindings it sounds like they use dwm, a window manager which you have to compile yourself, configure yourself in a .c source file, and comes without window decorations by default, I believe. It's neat but made for 0.1% of computer users at most. Although I want to add the "Windows Key + Left/Right Mouse Button" bindings are incredibly convenient and should be supported by every OS by default imh…

Pretty sure you can configure any WM to use those key combinations. I used them in i3 and currently use them in bspwm. Not sure why you jumped to dwm immediately.

I'm sure you can also use them in a fully fledged DE, and someone mentioned using alt + click on windows to drag.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by pjettter »

Mumps wrote: post #660
rapind wrote: post #655

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The worst offender of this is the Apple TV remote. Most of my actions with the Apple TV remote have been unintentional.

Makes me think of the "MacBook Wheel" [0] from ages past. It's really a shame how user-hostile design can be. [0] https://youtu.be/9BnLbv6QYcA?feature=shared

Haha! I haven’t seen anything from the onion in years. They kind of became irrelevant at some point :)

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by vonjuice »

EGreg wrote: post #243
codalan wrote: post #135

It's not just scrollbars. It's the elimination of window borders. Aside from not being able to differentiate one window from another similarly colored window in the background, it's nearly impossible to click and hold on anything along the edge to resize the window. It's the overloading of the title bar with so much shit like search boxes and extraneous buttons that a user has almost no place to grip to move the wind…

Is it just me or is Discord super unintuitive? And Slack is becoming that way too. Telegram by contrast is a pleasure!

man every time I want to respond to a message in telegram I end up in the forward mode, it's so intuitive in whatsapp but so backwards in telegram. Likewise when trying to react to a message with any emote other than the one set by default. And then I couldn't even find the setting to change the default emote reaction. So I guess I disagree with that assessment. I do agree about discord tho.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by vonjuice »

JohnFen wrote: post #661
albertzeyer wrote: post #391

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On Linux (e.g. KDE), you can simply Ctrl + mouse drag the window, and then click anywhere you want. This makes it even much simpler than the need of clicking on the border, even with larger borders. You actually don't need any window border at all then, or it can be full of other utilities. There is also some software for Windows to do the same.

> You actually don't need any window border at all then Even if that was a great solution for everybody, you still need a window border. Or at least I do. I need that visual separation from all of the other windows on my desktop, and I need it to be thicker than one or two damned pixels.

My window borders are actually 2px by choice, but it's a nice pink that's fairly noticeable.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by karaterobot »

> They’ve also started hiding the scrollbar entirely by default until you hover over where it’s supposed to be, what is that????

What it is is a UI improvement for me, and I think for most other people.

I agree that you should be able to override scrollbar behavior and styling. That should be a supported accessibility option.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by couchand »

pjettter wrote: post #696
breakfastduck wrote: post #586

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Most plugins used in music software do take that approach. Where the plugin interfaces are modelled to look 'like hardware' in most cases, with nobs, sliders, all the things you'd expect on a hardware compressor / synth etc. I like it.

But then you have to “draw circles” with your mouse?

The UI usually maps linear motion quite naturally. In real use the control is mapped to a physical knob via MIDI, if you'll be tweaking it on the fly.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by bluGill »

JohnFen wrote: post #632
bluGill wrote: post #541

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Distros SHOULD be theming all applications. Once thing a distro can do well is create a theme for their distro so everything looks the same. Maybe distros are not doing a good job of this, but that is one thing they have the power to do. QT, GTK2, SDL, wxwidgets, and more toolkits I can't even think of should all fit together on my desktop and look the same. xfce, gnome, and kde all have some nice apps, they should m…

> Distros SHOULD be theming all applications. Once thing a distro can do well is create a theme for their distro so everything looks the same. I would reject a distro that did this (unless I could disable it). But users should be able to make everything look the way that works the best for them.

Wait, we haven't even seen this theme or how well it is done and you already reject it?
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