gmail iOS app has no scrollbars. pretty annoying.
Scrollbars are becoming a problem
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duuuuuude for real a11y? what kind of weird lingo flex is that?
It's a longstanding abbreviation for "accessibility", along the same lines of i18n being an abbreviation for internationalisation. There's the first letter, and the last letter, and between them a count of the number of letters elidded.
> It's a longstanding abbreviation for "accessibility"
It's certainly not widespread. Or at least, this is the first time I've ever seen it.
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I would hope (read: pray) that on HN a11y isn't jargon. On a thread about scrollbars (i.e., UI and UX) a11y should be as accessible as saying UI or UX.
It's absolutely obscure jargon. One should never use "a11y", just say "accessibility".
And I just can't make my brain not read that as "ally".
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#674Imho scroolbars are unneeded on computers with properly made keyboards. People are desperate to use scrollbars only when the PgUp, PgDown, Home and End keys are not quick to reach. This is the real battle to fight for. Vote with your money and stop buying computers with stupid keyboards.
I can count the amount of non technical people I have met who use the navigation keys, on a single hand, and every single one of them has a finance related job.
Even most devs, particularly younger devs, never use navigation keys.
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Windows XP couldn't search the start menu.
That's why Launchy exists: http://www.launchy.net/ Incidentally, I still use it in Windows 10. Probably more out of habit than anything else.
https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/
I use it because it rocks more than anything else :)
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I can, 100% say that I haven't used a scroll bar on the web in years. I do find the hidden scroll more aesthetically pleasing.
Yes, we should absolutely make everything less accessible in the name of aesthetics. That's made computer interfaces so much better in the past 20 years.
That's just it.
It is a choice, you can turn it on or off.
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Windows 2000 was the last truly great Windows for me. It was the last Windows version that had a working "Find in File Contents" feature without having to install grepwin.
After a few small tweaks, Windows 7 Professional was a cat. Purring in my lap cause it loves me.
Windows 7 with the Classic theme was peak UI/UX, IMO. It's been downhill ever since.
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#678Regarding minimaps: I thought, these were great, too, but then I discovered that I find them rather irritating and that I actually don't use them. I guess, this is, because you have to maintain a mental mapping of that document and how it is organized, already, for the minimap to make sense. But, then, referring to that visual mapping of what you're already mapping in a much more abstract sense, seems – at least for…
I agree. I can put up with the minimaps, but I dislike them quite a bit. The traditional scrollbar appears to be pretty close to ideal.
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Things being "a waste of screen real estate" was a bigger issue when we only had 1024x768. Now we have extremely high resolution monitors, and we use that to get really smooth angled lines and anti-aliasing, scaling up the visuals and decreasing the logical DPI, but the lack of a hard edge to grab doesn't get wider when the visuals are scaled up: it's still a single pixel wide.
> was a bigger issue when we only had 1024x768. > Now we have extremely high resolution monitors I don't think you underestand the problem. /s The 4x3 aspect monitors were bigger. The 16x9 added only horizontal space. We still need the same "real" size of items in the real world. And there is a trend to occupy the space with useless staff: ribbon, big G logo, status messages not about what you do but about bugs and i…
> The 4x3 aspect monitors were bigger. The 16x9 added only horizontal space.
Unless you had a large monitor back then and a small monitor now, this is incredibly incorrect.
Back in the 1024x768 days, most people probably had a 15" monitor. You might have had 17" if you were lucky. Even at 17", that monitor is only 13.6 x 10.2"
Now, People on a 16:9 are likely running a minimum 22". At 16:9, that's 19.2 x 10.8".
...shit you might be right. But really only if you had a large 4:3 monitor and now have a small 16:9 monitor. 4:3 15" is 12 x 9", and 16:9 24" is 20.9 x 11.8. 27" is 23.5 x 13.2.
Laptop screens are of course a different beast. Still though, with resolutions being higher, certainly they could have used a pixel or two to create an actual window edge.
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#680It's not just scrollbars. It's the elimination of window borders. Aside from not being able to differentiate one window from another similarly colored window in the background, it's nearly impossible to click and hold on anything along the edge to resize the window. It's the overloading of the title bar with so much shit like search boxes and extraneous buttons that a user has almost no place to grip to move the wind…
I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the bane that is "progressive scrolling". "No, we won't actually load the text at the bottom of the scollbar until you scroll down to it--and we'll only load it in a dribble." @#$%^&*()_+!
Some sites do this and it's broken in that you have to scroll past it before it displays.