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Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by dorfsmay »

Jhsto wrote: post #120
nrp wrote: post #39

I'm happy to help answer questions folks have on the product. We (without intending to) ended up being among the first to ship a Ryzen 7040 U-series laptop, which means Linux support is early and depends on having the right kernel version. As others have noted in the comments, we were in a similar place when we were one of the earlier ones on both 12th Gen Intel Core and 13th Gen Intel Core, and both matured rapidly.…

Any idea when you could do an Intel or AMD device with coreboot?

And a trackpoint! I'd buy those sight unseen.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by jjice »

dorfsmay wrote: post #161
Jhsto wrote: post #120

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Any idea when you could do an Intel or AMD device with coreboot?

And a trackpoint! I'd buy those sight unseen.

Hmm I wonder if that could just be a simple keyboard replacement given the modularity of the Frameworks.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by jjice »

I'm in batch 7 of this laptop's shipment waves which I expect to actually release mid to late December and it seems like that's a good thing. Still very much looking forward to it, but being super early in the AMD 7040 series releases adds to some stability situations. Overall, I'm not worried about kernel support and compatibility over the next few months, especially as the AMD 7040s release with other manufacturers as well.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by cesarb »

jjice wrote: post #162
dorfsmay wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a trackpoint! I'd buy those sight unseen.

Hmm I wonder if that could just be a simple keyboard replacement given the modularity of the Frameworks.

I recall reading somewhere that there's a height issue (a keyboard with a trackpoint would need more height than what's available).

(I'm not a trackpoint user, but I like the extra set of three standalone mouse buttons which usually come with a trackpoint; the middle mouse button is particularly useful, since it's not usually available on a trackpad.)

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by appointment »

jack1243star wrote: post #30
sva_ wrote: post #27

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The insert key seems to be fn-f10 now. I have to say I don't really ever use it? What do people use it for, if I may ask? I configure everything to use vim-style editing, so maybe that's why. I can't really speak on the display stuff, but I fell like I saw something related to that in the BIOS. Haven't had issues with sleep either, but maybe because I've only been using the machine for 2 days. About the battery, I re…

Ctrl-Ins and Shift-Ins works more universally than Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V across Windows and Linux.

I believe the Ctrl-Ins etc came from IBM while Ctrl+C/V/X started as Cmd-C/V/X on the Apple Lisa.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by noirbot »

MrDresden wrote: post #139
noirbot wrote: post #26

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I feel like they either have zero or infinite value. On pure "which laptop would I pick to do a task" it's almost never going to be a Framework. It's objectively a worse laptop for almost all daily tasks. The issue is that repairability and upgradability are, unless you regularly break your computer, at most a once a year occurrence. On that day, you have a better laptop with the Framework (maybe). The other 364, you…

> ..the Framework's battery management is so abysmal that I have to keep it shut down at all times it's not in active use/charging, and even fully shut down, it'll still so deeply discharge the battery after a week that the bios loses power and unsyncs the hardware clock. I'm not sure, but this sounds like it might be the design flaw that was in the first generation where the RTC battery did not charge via the main b…

That seems about right. I'm about to just try to sell this laptop. It's the most I've ever spent on what's probably the worst computing device I've ever had. I could spend most of $1200 replacing all the flawed parts and underperforming parts, but at that point, I'll just buy a computer that works instead.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by binkHN »

sphars wrote: post #159
cameronh90 wrote: post #140

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I have a Lenovo X1 running Windows and it dies after a day or so of sleep too, sometimes sooner. As the other poster says, I think this is mostly due to modern chipsets getting rid of S3 and having "modern standby" instead.

Had this happen on my T14. I switched the sleep BIOS setting to Linux to bring back S3 sleep in Windows and stop using modern standby.

For what it's worth, the latest ThinkPads don't have S3 as an option in the BIOS anymore.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by snorremd »

dot5xdev wrote: post #115

The section on fractional scaling issues wouldn't exist if Framework offered a Linux compatible non HiDPI display. It's a shame for Linux users that they decided to pick a display type that has had known issues for like a decade.

But it is 2023. Things like GTK on Wayland should support fractional scaling. In fact it is already supported by Wayland and is in GTK project's pipeline, but open source software obviously have limited resources. So I think it is fair that people would complain this does not work, but I also understand why it does not.

Framework delivering a HiDPI display makes it more future proof. HiDPI displays aren't just a gimmick. HiDPI displays is super helpful when you are short sighted for example as the increased font clarity from a HiDPI display will help you read small text better.

The HiDPI display on MacOS and the excellent support for fractional scaling is one of my favourite features of a MacBook and why I wouldn't consider purchasing a "Linux laptop" (e.g. Lenovo or whatever else) before they support this.

Different people, different priorities I guess.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by binkHN »

fsflover wrote: post #132
binkHN wrote: post #75

> A known problem in the current kernel, sometimes the system freezes for 1-15s at a time... How is this even remotely acceptable?

It's not; they are working on a fix.

Fair, but there's no ETA and the author is fairly upbeat in his write up, and his system is barely even usable.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by Pesthuf »

charrondev wrote: post #80
rwky wrote: post #29

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I've got the 13th gen intel model so can't talk about amd battery life but I can get at least 4 hours out of the battery most of the time and for me that's good since I tend to be running between 1 and 4 vms constantly humming away using cpu cycles. I have played with tlp and bet if I lightened my load and capped the cpu I'd be able to get 6 to 8 hours without an issue but I bought the thing for the speed so I'll sti…

4 hours isn’t awful but still isn’t great unfortunately. I hope to get a few more good years out my MacBook Pro (m1 Pro). The thing is fast and I can do a full 8 hour work day with VSCode, IntelliJ, and docker running a ton of stuff: - a couple MySQL instances - multiple elastic search and Kibana instances - Haproxy - a few Nginx + PHP containers - a node container with frontend dev build - logstash - a couple rust s…

Do use energy saver for that?
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