How does the sound / speaker system compare to a MacBook Pro? In my experience Apple just blows every other manufacturer out of the water with sound quality.
I was very surprised by the sound coming out of my mother's new iMac.
Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions
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Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions
#22I wonder what kind of battery-life Framework users get? I've recently gotten an Elitebook 845 G10 which runs on a Ryzen 7 Pro 7840HS, and battery life was at first shit. The issue was with the BIOS being bugged and not allowing ASPM. After manually activating, I now get around 12-15 hours on a 50Wh battery, depending on use of course. Results still preliminary though, more testing needs to be done. Btw, I chose the E…
I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances.
- No insert key
- No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor.
- Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken, s2idle sleep fails occasionally, gets stuck in lowest frequency sometimes, several others that have slowly been fixed on mainline
- Battery life is pretty mediocre. 5-6 hours of browsing, 2-3 hours of video.
Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions
#23I’m looking forward to solutions with Linux that are vertically integrated. I know System76 is moving in this direction, but Apple will remain the king in this area in the near future. Without vertical integration it’s a mess, no party wants to control the end to end experience and take responsibility.
100% agree. At this price point who has the time to debug wifi?!
Only the people writing wifi drivers, and students trying to figure out how things work for the novelty.
Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions
#24This all sounds exactly like what I imagined owning a Framework running Linux would be like. I’m sure y’all are having a ball editing all of your configs and doing firmware updates in Windows, but I’ll stick to my non-repairable MacBook and keep Linux on my servers.
I’ve been running linux (Fedora) on my intel Framework laptop for a little over a year. I’ve had no issues.
Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s no doubt in anyone’s mind which laptop is better value for money. People that buy framework laptops buy it out of principle. Repairability, upgradability, openness, Linux support. Etc
Do repairability, upgradability, configurability have zero value?
For the typical laptop? I’m going to replace my Mac before I need non-warranty service. I’d say the typical user is in the same boat
Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s no doubt in anyone’s mind which laptop is better value for money. People that buy framework laptops buy it out of principle. Repairability, upgradability, openness, Linux support. Etc
Do repairability, upgradability, configurability have zero value?
I feel like they either have zero or infinite value. On pure "which laptop would I pick to do a task" it's almost never going to be a Framework. It's objectively a worse laptop for almost all daily tasks.
The issue is that repairability and upgradability are, unless you regularly break your computer, at most a once a year occurrence. On that day, you have a better laptop with the Framework (maybe). The other 364, you're dealing with new and novel frustrations you haven't had to deal with for over a decade in computing. Is your value system such that, being able to potentially manually replace a broken part is worth dealing with a bad computer the rest of the time?
Just today, I spent 30 minutes just trying to work out how to get my system clock to sync with my hardware clock, and how to get both of them to be accurate, because the Framework's battery management is so abysmal that I have to keep it shut down at all times it's not in active use/charging, and even fully shut down, it'll still so deeply discharge the battery after a week that the bios loses power and unsyncs the hardware clock. It's quite possibly the worst computer I've used in 20 years.
Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions
#27I wonder what kind of battery-life Framework users get? I've recently gotten an Elitebook 845 G10 which runs on a Ryzen 7 Pro 7840HS, and battery life was at first shit. The issue was with the BIOS being bugged and not allowing ASPM. After manually activating, I now get around 12-15 hours on a 50Wh battery, depending on use of course. Results still preliminary though, more testing needs to be done. Btw, I chose the E…
I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances. - No insert key - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. - Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken, s2idle sleep fails occasionally, gets stuck in lowest frequency sometimes, several others that have slowly been fixed on mainline - Battery life is pretty medioc…
The insert key seems to be fn-f10 now. I have to say I don't really ever use it? What do people use it for, if I may ask? I configure everything to use vim-style editing, so maybe that's why.
I can't really speak on the display stuff, but I fell like I saw something related to that in the BIOS. Haven't had issues with sleep either, but maybe because I've only been using the machine for 2 days.
About the battery, I really wonder if ASPM is off for you as well? It seems to be a common theme among HP Laptops. My battery life nearly doubled when I set it up.
What is your output of
$ sudo dmesg | grep ASPM
Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions
#28This all sounds exactly like what I imagined owning a Framework running Linux would be like. I’m sure y’all are having a ball editing all of your configs and doing firmware updates in Windows, but I’ll stick to my non-repairable MacBook and keep Linux on my servers.
You people are insufferable. Why even post this garbage?
Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions
#29I wonder what kind of battery-life Framework users get? I've recently gotten an Elitebook 845 G10 which runs on a Ryzen 7 Pro 7840HS, and battery life was at first shit. The issue was with the BIOS being bugged and not allowing ASPM. After manually activating, I now get around 12-15 hours on a 50Wh battery, depending on use of course. Results still preliminary though, more testing needs to be done. Btw, I chose the E…
I've got the 13th gen intel model so can't talk about amd battery life but I can get at least 4 hours out of the battery most of the time and for me that's good since I tend to be running between 1 and 4 vms constantly humming away using cpu cycles. I have played with tlp and bet if I lightened my load and capped the cpu I'd be able to get 6 to 8 hours without an issue but I bought the thing for the speed so I'll stick with it zooming along instead of a long battery life.
Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances. - No insert key - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. - Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken, s2idle sleep fails occasionally, gets stuck in lowest frequency sometimes, several others that have slowly been fixed on mainline - Battery life is pretty medioc…
The insert key seems to be fn-f10 now. I have to say I don't really ever use it? What do people use it for, if I may ask? I configure everything to use vim-style editing, so maybe that's why. I can't really speak on the display stuff, but I fell like I saw something related to that in the BIOS. Haven't had issues with sleep either, but maybe because I've only been using the machine for 2 days. About the battery, I re…
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