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Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by gigatexal »

lost_tourist wrote: post #129
gigatexal wrote: post #88

I couldn’t finish the blog post. It came off as too much of a rant and a bit whiney. Linux != macOS or Windows. Gestures, and all this fancy stuff about fingerprint readers etc do not apply. I guess I’m lucky my thinkpad’s fingerprint reader works. Anyway I’m looking forward to evaluating this laptop vs a similar AMD thinkpad as I’m in the market. I run i3 and will move to sway when I fully transition things to Wayla…

He had a lot of issues besides just the mouse. I think the article was fine, and probably will other people planning on getting the same laptop. There is no way that framework didn't encounter these same problems in their own install. Seems like they could have an Appendix site available for some of the fixes if they couldn't get them due to trying to get the laptop out to customers as soon as possible.

Yeah I’ve been meaning to update and fix my original post: low blood sugar, being grumpy makes for a shit take.

I don’t fault the author for having issues with the laptop. Framework, like you said, could have done a better job with the Linux support or at least had a page about workarounds or what works and what doesn’t.

And while I don’t like overt mailing list or donation requests who am I to fault anyone for wanting patrons or visitors to support or donate to the effort.

So to the blog author my apologies.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by rowanG077 »

nrp wrote: post #39

I'm happy to help answer questions folks have on the product. We (without intending to) ended up being among the first to ship a Ryzen 7040 U-series laptop, which means Linux support is early and depends on having the right kernel version. As others have noted in the comments, we were in a similar place when we were one of the earlier ones on both 12th Gen Intel Core and 13th Gen Intel Core, and both matured rapidly.…

So one of the major things holding me of buying a framework is the screen. There have been sounds in the community asking for an upgraded screen option (500+ nits/HDR, 120hz, higher res etc) for years. Is this just something you guy aren't interested in at all? Or is it too hard sourcing panels, or even sourcing panels that fit the framework case?

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by pmontra »

zackify wrote: post #20
SamuelAdams wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the article, I thought it was very helpful! You mentioned it a little bit, but is the trackpad better on wayland? How does it compare to a MBP? And finally, can you dock the framework laptop to a USB-C docking station for external monitor support? I haven’t seen a lot of reviews mention this and I’m curious what that looks like today.

I just tried plugging into a caldigit dock, and it didn't work. I am not sure why. The env in general uses wayland but certain apps don't. In those apps you don't have good gesture support. I would say its 80-85% as good as a mac trackpad when wayland is on everything

By the way, what is that "two finger swipe back and forth in a web browser" that you are missing from a Mac? I use the keyboard a lot and the touchpad only to move the pointer and scroll, so I'm pretty ignorant about the matter.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by zackify »

treffer wrote: post #91

Running Ubuntu 22.04.1 on a very recent device is not something I would recommend. And it is particularly bad timing. 23.10 was released yesterday, so a new kernel should roll into 22.04 soon. It would also fix most of the software complaints if the auther would have used 23.10. Please save yourself from the hassle of compiling a kernel, especially for Ubuntu (the userspace _expects_ Ubuntu patches, e.g. for apparmor…

I did this because it’s what framework is specifically having us do right now.

Using this special oem kernel on 22.04.3

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

augustl wrote: post #99

After switching from an 11th gen Intel Dell XPS, to a M1 Macbook, I resist returning to PC laptops (even though I prefer Windows) until someone confirms that newer Ryzen and Intel chips are comparable in terms of "perceived performance" to Apple silicon. The whole laptop simply becomes syrupy on battery. Even if I go high performance mode in Windows settings, the whole device is just so laggy compared to a Macbook. A…

Ditto. Would love a windows laptop this good but nothing I've had has ever come close. It's always low battery or high heat or bulky.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by zackify »

gigatexal wrote: post #88

I couldn’t finish the blog post. It came off as too much of a rant and a bit whiney. Linux != macOS or Windows. Gestures, and all this fancy stuff about fingerprint readers etc do not apply. I guess I’m lucky my thinkpad’s fingerprint reader works. Anyway I’m looking forward to evaluating this laptop vs a similar AMD thinkpad as I’m in the market. I run i3 and will move to sway when I fully transition things to Wayla…

Sorry about the modal.. I think I turned that off. Still getting used to substack

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by ThinkBeat »

I am pretty surprised how complicated it was to get Limux running.

I expected I could circumvent the trouble by ordering the laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled and properly configured and tuned so I could just boot the machine and get to work.

Going through the configurator on the website I can't find an option for getting Ubuntu pre-installed.

Is this not an option then, or did I miss it?

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by papichulo2023 »

augustl wrote: post #99

After switching from an 11th gen Intel Dell XPS, to a M1 Macbook, I resist returning to PC laptops (even though I prefer Windows) until someone confirms that newer Ryzen and Intel chips are comparable in terms of "perceived performance" to Apple silicon. The whole laptop simply becomes syrupy on battery. Even if I go high performance mode in Windows settings, the whole device is just so laggy compared to a Macbook. A…

Problem is not performance but battery life.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by sphars »

cameronh90 wrote: post #140
semiquaver wrote: post #52

Power management is where the framework laptops really suffer under Linux. I truly prefer Linux as an OS but my framework goes unused in favor of my MacBook Air because the former simply can’t hold a charge for more than a few days of standby or a few hours of use. I believe it’s the WiFi firmware which is known to have bad power management support on Linux.

I have a Lenovo X1 running Windows and it dies after a day or so of sleep too, sometimes sooner. As the other poster says, I think this is mostly due to modern chipsets getting rid of S3 and having "modern standby" instead.

Had this happen on my T14. I switched the sleep BIOS setting to Linux to bring back S3 sleep in Windows and stop using modern standby.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by chx »

nijave wrote: post #148
chx wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet every time I post running Linux on a modern laptop as a daily driver is not a good idea I get heavily downvoted.

If you spend a lot of your time working in/with Linux, I think it's fine. If you don't, you soon will.

All the time: I use WSL. The right tool for the right job. Linux userspace for development -- but Windows for the kernel because that's where the drivers are.
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