Unfortunately, as the author notes, its not always easy to get this customized.
Scrollbars are becoming a problem
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Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#472Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn’t a heavy drop shadow solve the window border problem? Although these days those seem to be fading or disappearing as well.
Not when the windows are dark.
Then I switched to mate-terminal which put a nice big scrollbar in the right-side border of each window, so I didn't need that script any more.
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#473I agree the scrollbar is dying and becoming unusable. A scroll bar needs to be: - Wide, clearly visible and easy to hit. - Proportional sized, indicating how much of the document is currently in view. - Movable parts should have features indicating friction, as opposed to slippy-ness. - With arrow buttons, placed together instead of at opposing ends. - It should change colors to indicate hover and mouse press. Of the…
> - Wide, clearly visible and easy to hit.
Way back in the day, there used to be a field of study called Human Computer Interaction, where people would learn about things like Fitt's Law, and the fact that the edges of the screen were particularly valuable because they effectively had infinite size.
I am on OS X. For my sins, I have MS Teams open. It is hard aligned to the right of the screen. On the right edge of the window is a scroll bar. I shove my mouse to the right, I click to grab the scrollbar (which has conveniently expanded on mouse-over, and now extends to the edge pixels), and... the entire window gets dragged.
I don't know how we have ended up here. There was a period when people were actively researching what made good user interfaces, and it was feeding in to end user experiences, and it showed.
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#474This is the real battle to fight for. Vote with your money and stop buying computers with stupid keyboards.
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#475I have come to a funny realisation recently. It's not my eyesight which is becoming worse, it's the UIs which are becoming worse. The tiny scrollbars with laughable contrast are in no way accessible to anyone. I've recently switched to using KDE with the Oxygen theme and it's a joy to use without any eye strain. These scrollbars are absolutely pathetic, with no room for customisation. (good luck theming a locked-down…
> we wouldn't need "dark mode" or the such if the UIs had any contrast and were legible Have you tried dark mode in Windows 11? It turns the entire window bar black, if multiple window bars happen to overlap it is impossible to tell them apart visually. On top of that in some programs it also turns the close/min/max window buttons completely black unless hovered by the cursor! Microsoft should fire everyone at the co…
The other criticisms are valid though, the last good Explorer UI was Windows 7.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#476I have come to a funny realisation recently. It's not my eyesight which is becoming worse, it's the UIs which are becoming worse. The tiny scrollbars with laughable contrast are in no way accessible to anyone. I've recently switched to using KDE with the Oxygen theme and it's a joy to use without any eye strain. These scrollbars are absolutely pathetic, with no room for customisation. (good luck theming a locked-down…
The first thin I do on MacOS is turn on the scroll bars. Yes, MacOS Has them set as "Only Show When Scrolling" by default, which is probably the most ridiculous setting.
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#477The general degradation of GUI usability over the past 10-15 years is honestly the most depressing development in computing. It’s a constant fight to keep things halfway usable, and it seems to be getting worse with each major (and sometimes minor) software update.
The really depressing thing is that GUI usability regression isn't the most depressing development in modern computing. Allow me to gesture broadly at literally everything.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#478I agree the scrollbar is dying and becoming unusable. A scroll bar needs to be: - Wide, clearly visible and easy to hit. - Proportional sized, indicating how much of the document is currently in view. - Movable parts should have features indicating friction, as opposed to slippy-ness. - With arrow buttons, placed together instead of at opposing ends. - It should change colors to indicate hover and mouse press. Of the…
With arrow buttons, placed together instead of at opposing ends. Huh, I've never really thought about that but it does make sense to have them next to each other instead of at the opposite ends. Wonder why it's so rare to see that, apart from "it's always been this way".
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#479I have come to a funny realisation recently. It's not my eyesight which is becoming worse, it's the UIs which are becoming worse. The tiny scrollbars with laughable contrast are in no way accessible to anyone. I've recently switched to using KDE with the Oxygen theme and it's a joy to use without any eye strain. These scrollbars are absolutely pathetic, with no room for customisation. (good luck theming a locked-down…
If we are talking UI we need to talk about Apple. The first thin I do on MacOS is turn on the scroll bars. Yes, MacOS Has them set as "Only Show When Scrolling" by default, which is probably the most ridiculous setting.
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#480Imho scroolbars are unneeded on computers with properly made keyboards. People are desperate to use scrollbars only when the PgUp, PgDown, Home and End keys are not quick to reach. This is the real battle to fight for. Vote with your money and stop buying computers with stupid keyboards.