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Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by bubblethink »

nrp wrote: post #51
voltagex_ wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any hope for the wifi bugs mentioned in the article? I was trying to avoid reviews like this because I didn't want to be thinking about all the problems instead of looking forward to my new laptop. I am now wondering if I should have gone Intel.

As the original poster noted, this seems to be an interaction between the specific access point or router and the AMD RZ616 driver, and not something that other users are seeing on their home networks. The RZ616 is AMD's rebrand of MediaTek MT7921K. Mediatek does have a dedicated team working on Linux drivers, but we haven't seen their or AMD's plans: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek All of…

Do Intel or AMD forbid you from mixing and matching wifi cards ? Why the unnecessary fragmentation ?

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by nrp »

luyu_wu wrote: post #58
nrp wrote: post #39

I'm happy to help answer questions folks have on the product. We (without intending to) ended up being among the first to ship a Ryzen 7040 U-series laptop, which means Linux support is early and depends on having the right kernel version. As others have noted in the comments, we were in a similar place when we were one of the earlier ones on both 12th Gen Intel Core and 13th Gen Intel Core, and both matured rapidly.…

Curious as to what the second vent on the right of the chassis is for? A second fan placement? Just a passing curiosity as I noticed it when assembling!

That vent is for air intake.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by nrp »

bubblethink wrote: post #61
nrp wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the original poster noted, this seems to be an interaction between the specific access point or router and the AMD RZ616 driver, and not something that other users are seeing on their home networks. The RZ616 is AMD's rebrand of MediaTek MT7921K. Mediatek does have a dedicated team working on Linux drivers, but we haven't seen their or AMD's plans: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek All of…

Do Intel or AMD forbid you from mixing and matching wifi cards ? Why the unnecessary fragmentation ?

There is no specific commercial restriction preventing us from mixing and matching, but there is also no commercial/technical support from either party around the mixed solution. That means that if any issues come up, we have no path to resolving them, including crucially if we ran into issues during RF certifications.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by qudat »

teraflop wrote: post #32

> For modern apps not using Wayland…. full gesture support, fractional scaling, etc doesn’t work. After fixing firefox, I noticed Slack was incredibly fuzzy…. it doesn’t use Wayland. Every time I read stuff like this I feel like a bit of a outlier, because in all the years I've been using Slack, I've never used it as anything other than a web application (despite occasionally being pestered to download the Electron v…

Screen sharing and huddles

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by cesarb »

syntaxing wrote: post #5

If you only can buy this or a M2 MBP, which one would you get?

> If you only can buy this or a M2 MBP, which one would you get?

The M2 MBP, because it's available in my country (Brazil).

I could probably find a way to import a Framework, but besides being a lot of work, and the import duties being no joke (AFAIK, to a first approximation, they would double the price), there's also the pain if something on it breaks and has to be repaired under warranty (IIRC, the rules for temporary export for repair without having to pay extra export and import duties are quite complicated). And to top it off, since it's a laptop, there's the extra annoyance of it not having the ABNT2 keyboard layout. And that's all if it doesn't get sent back by customs for being a radio product (due to the WiFi and Bluetooth) without the appropriate certification.

The Framework laptop and the Steam Deck are the top two in my list of electronic products which I'd want to buy if the manufacturer sold them in my country, but I'm not getting my hopes up. For now, I'm making do with a Dell.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by NewJazz »

voltagex_ wrote: post #59
nrp wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the original poster noted, this seems to be an interaction between the specific access point or router and the AMD RZ616 driver, and not something that other users are seeing on their home networks. The RZ616 is AMD's rebrand of MediaTek MT7921K. Mediatek does have a dedicated team working on Linux drivers, but we haven't seen their or AMD's plans: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek All of…

You are probably in a better place than me to really push them on Linux support. Mediatek's Linux support seems reasonable, but I've only had experience running the AP cards in OpenWRT, not the little baby client cards.

FWIW I use my MT7921K as an access point. It can only do one frequency at a time (2.4/5/6GHz), and I haven't tested the 6GHz capabilities, but I've not had much trouble with it so far.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by NewJazz »

Kelteseth wrote: post #55
nrp wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the original poster noted, this seems to be an interaction between the specific access point or router and the AMD RZ616 driver, and not something that other users are seeing on their home networks. The RZ616 is AMD's rebrand of MediaTek MT7921K. Mediatek does have a dedicated team working on Linux drivers, but we haven't seen their or AMD's plans: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek All of…

So my Framework laptop is currently in transit. In theory, I would just swap the AMD wifi card with an 25 euro Intel AX210?

Yep this should be possible AIUI funnily enough, it is not possible on the Intel models.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by abhinavk »

qudat wrote: post #64
teraflop wrote: post #32

> For modern apps not using Wayland…. full gesture support, fractional scaling, etc doesn’t work. After fixing firefox, I noticed Slack was incredibly fuzzy…. it doesn’t use Wayland. Every time I read stuff like this I feel like a bit of a outlier, because in all the years I've been using Slack, I've never used it as anything other than a web application (despite occasionally being pestered to download the Electron v…

Screen sharing and huddles

Browser version can also do both.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by Rebelgecko »

jadbox wrote: post #9

Linux overall trackpad support is WAY better now than 5 years ago, but gnome/kde/drivers have room to grow to be as good as Apple. Framework is getting close though to my ideal laptop. The Dell XPS line is also a good linux choice too.

AFAICT in Fedora there's still no way to change the track pad scroll gesture speed. For me it's super annoying
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