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Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by nrp » Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 4:04 AM UTC

voltagex_ wrote: post #46

nrp wrote: post #39

I'm happy to help answer questions folks have on the product. We (without intending to) ended up being among the first to ship a Ryzen 7040 U-series laptop, which means Linux support is early and depends on having the right kernel version. As others have noted in the comments, we were in a similar place when we were one of the earlier ones on both 12th Gen Intel Core and 13th Gen Intel Core, and both matured rapidly.…

Is there any hope for the wifi bugs mentioned in the article? I was trying to avoid reviews like this because I didn't want to be thinking about all the problems instead of looking forward to my new laptop. I am now wondering if I should have gone Intel.

As the original poster noted, this seems to be an interaction between the specific access point or router and the AMD RZ616 driver, and not something that other users are seeing on their home networks.

The RZ616 is AMD's rebrand of MediaTek MT7921K. Mediatek does have a dedicated team working on Linux drivers, but we haven't seen their or AMD's plans: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek

All of that said, 13th Gen Intel Core and specifically Intel AX210 WiFi are quite mature in Linux, and Ryzen 7040 U-series and RZ616 are quite new. All indications and communication we've had with AMD point to them having a strong desire to deliver a great Linux experience.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by semiquaver » Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 4:06 AM UTC

Power management is where the framework laptops really suffer under Linux.

I truly prefer Linux as an OS but my framework goes unused in favor of my MacBook Air because the former simply can’t hold a charge for more than a few days of standby or a few hours of use. I believe it’s the WiFi firmware which is known to have bad power management support on Linux.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by zackify » Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 4:06 AM UTC

spatterl1ght wrote: post #49

voltagex_ wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any hope for the wifi bugs mentioned in the article? I was trying to avoid reviews like this because I didn't want to be thinking about all the problems instead of looking forward to my new laptop. I am now wondering if I should have gone Intel.

i feel like the wifi issues are kind of overblown, i mean 300 down is still blazing fast -- but that is just my usage

Yeah exactly. Like it sucks because I have 6E and it can’t really use it, but it’s only a big deal when transferring large files on my network.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by semiquaver » Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 4:10 AM UTC

chx wrote: post #34

holografix wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree. At this price point who has the time to debug wifi?!

And yet every time I post running Linux on a modern laptop as a daily driver is not a good idea I get heavily downvoted.

Complaining about downvotes is a downvotable offense :)

(FWIW I agree with you, Linux on laptops is a recipe for pain)

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by Kelteseth » Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 4:11 AM UTC

nrp wrote: post #51

voltagex_ wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any hope for the wifi bugs mentioned in the article? I was trying to avoid reviews like this because I didn't want to be thinking about all the problems instead of looking forward to my new laptop. I am now wondering if I should have gone Intel.

As the original poster noted, this seems to be an interaction between the specific access point or router and the AMD RZ616 driver, and not something that other users are seeing on their home networks. The RZ616 is AMD's rebrand of MediaTek MT7921K. Mediatek does have a dedicated team working on Linux drivers, but we haven't seen their or AMD's plans: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek All of…

So my Framework laptop is currently in transit. In theory, I would just swap the AMD wifi card with an 25 euro Intel AX210?

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by imp0cat » Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 4:18 AM UTC

sva_ wrote: post #11

I wonder what kind of battery-life Framework users get? I've recently gotten an Elitebook 845 G10 which runs on a Ryzen 7 Pro 7840HS, and battery life was at first shit. The issue was with the BIOS being bugged and not allowing ASPM. After manually activating, I now get around 12-15 hours on a 50Wh battery, depending on use of course. Results still preliminary though, more testing needs to be done. Btw, I chose the E…

I have the 845 G8 and can echo most of your sentiment. It's a fast, well made and easily repairable/upgradable machine (ie. no soldered RAM modules).

However, HP's software is less than stellar. What annoys me the most is the fact that the latest BIOS update completely broke USB-C dock and monitor detection.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by voltagex_ » Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 4:20 AM UTC

Kelteseth wrote: post #55

nrp wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the original poster noted, this seems to be an interaction between the specific access point or router and the AMD RZ616 driver, and not something that other users are seeing on their home networks. The RZ616 is AMD's rebrand of MediaTek MT7921K. Mediatek does have a dedicated team working on Linux drivers, but we haven't seen their or AMD's plans: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek All of…

So my Framework laptop is currently in transit. In theory, I would just swap the AMD wifi card with an 25 euro Intel AX210?

Try the card first but yes, you can do that.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by luyu_wu » Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 4:23 AM UTC

nrp wrote: post #39

I'm happy to help answer questions folks have on the product. We (without intending to) ended up being among the first to ship a Ryzen 7040 U-series laptop, which means Linux support is early and depends on having the right kernel version. As others have noted in the comments, we were in a similar place when we were one of the earlier ones on both 12th Gen Intel Core and 13th Gen Intel Core, and both matured rapidly.…

Curious as to what the second vent on the right of the chassis is for? A second fan placement? Just a passing curiosity as I noticed it when assembling!

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by voltagex_ » Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 4:26 AM UTC

nrp wrote: post #51

voltagex_ wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any hope for the wifi bugs mentioned in the article? I was trying to avoid reviews like this because I didn't want to be thinking about all the problems instead of looking forward to my new laptop. I am now wondering if I should have gone Intel.

As the original poster noted, this seems to be an interaction between the specific access point or router and the AMD RZ616 driver, and not something that other users are seeing on their home networks. The RZ616 is AMD's rebrand of MediaTek MT7921K. Mediatek does have a dedicated team working on Linux drivers, but we haven't seen their or AMD's plans: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek All of…

You are probably in a better place than me to really push them on Linux support.

Mediatek's Linux support seems reasonable, but I've only had experience running the AP cards in OpenWRT, not the little baby client cards.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by voltagex_ » Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 4:27 AM UTC

spatterl1ght wrote: post #49

voltagex_ wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any hope for the wifi bugs mentioned in the article? I was trying to avoid reviews like this because I didn't want to be thinking about all the problems instead of looking forward to my new laptop. I am now wondering if I should have gone Intel.

i feel like the wifi issues are kind of overblown, i mean 300 down is still blazing fast -- but that is just my usage

I currently get 600 using an Intel AX201 card and 900 from a better router.