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Harvard student groups issued anti-Israel statement, CEOs want them blacklisted

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Hard to claim “right wing cancel culture” when the person is an establishment democrat.

The dominant faction of the Democratic Party is center-right, and the donor base is even more right-weighted.

Oh we’re playing that game.

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>Say what you will about them voicing a poorly informed opinion if you must how do you differentiate between poorly informed opinions and poorly formed morals ? (in this specific case poorly informed opinion (if this is what it is) may lead to offer been revoked due to inability to perform research. sounds like a must for a law firm)

> in this specific case poorly informed opinion... It's hard to not see the IDF as a barbarous relic of it's own collective trauma from the Holocaust at this point; I personally think they are just as appalling as the German Nazis themselves and the US enables and funds this for Geo-political strategy: I believe in free speech and feel that I can make this argument without impunity as it's based entirely from decades…

> tell me under what possible distorted form of reality can this be justified? It was noted that the sound of the music was likely heard in Gaza it was so close

Right. The loud noise and improperly dressed young girls angered Hamas so they went out on kill and rape rampage, makes sense.

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the funny part, that you wrote a very long post that tries to be "nuanced", yet, you are missing so many nuances and facts that it's not too different from average headline of "israel performs genocide" i just saw fascinating thread on /r/politics when somebody, obviously arab, from one of the poorer countries probably tried to explain to other people what is middle east and how it clicks. he was blamed for trying to…

Everybody has their own gaze with which they judge what they see. As someone who has been following world politics since young age and really would love to see this seemingly everlasting conflict resolved and human suffering on all sides reduced, my prefered solution would be one where the Palestinians are alive, free and lost all incentives to carry out terrorist attacks so that both sides in this conflict can final…

> My worry is that this is not something a big part of Israel even wants to attempt — or maybe they lost the faith that this could ever be possible — so they want the Palestinians to just be gone.

Which sides wants the other "gone" ? If the Gazans had the power to do it I have no doubt they would kill hundreds of thousands of Israelis. I don't understand how you can even deny it. The only thing stopping them, for now, is lack of ability.

Re: Harvard student groups issued anti-Israel statement, CEOs want them blacklisted

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It feels one-dimensional to assess someone on what they said or did once in some context & make big assumptions about them for the rest of their lives based off a narrowly interpreted negative viewpoint. People are complex and reducing responses to brutal cruel unforgiving blacklists is the shit of nightmares.

ORRR ... you can just be careful with the shit you write online. You know, try to act as if you're talking to real people on the street(where there's usually more consequences). I don't know why we have to tolerate people acting like psychotic assholes online just because it's online.

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> in this specific case poorly informed opinion... It's hard to not see the IDF as a barbarous relic of it's own collective trauma from the Holocaust at this point; I personally think they are just as appalling as the German Nazis themselves and the US enables and funds this for Geo-political strategy: I believe in free speech and feel that I can make this argument without impunity as it's based entirely from decades…

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I see stuff like this, and the first place my mind goes isn't to the antisemitism (it really never dies), or student-run organizations saying dumb things (again, not surprising). The first place my mind goes, is... does Harvard not teach history classes?

Harvard has been focused on cultivating leftist ideologues, so no, they don't teach history as you might understand it. They teach rewritten history, where the West are only evil colonialists, everything wrong with the world is because of "the patriarchy," and capitalism is to be fought and destroyed.

A standard subset of this ideology is "Israel bad."

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I despise this kind of backlash. Everyone always says "Free speech, but not speech without consequence". But this kind of reactionary consequences are precisely why it's an issue. You don't actually have free speech, if the consequences of free speech are so great, that it becomes career suicide. Not allowed to speak against crowd, and all that entails.

Freedom of speech is restriction on government. It has nothing to do with protecting you from your own stupidity.

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>Say what you will about them voicing a poorly informed opinion if you must how do you differentiate between poorly informed opinions and poorly formed morals ? (in this specific case poorly informed opinion (if this is what it is) may lead to offer been revoked due to inability to perform research. sounds like a must for a law firm)

> in this specific case poorly informed opinion... It's hard to not see the IDF as a barbarous relic of it's own collective trauma from the Holocaust at this point; I personally think they are just as appalling as the German Nazis themselves and the US enables and funds this for Geo-political strategy: I believe in free speech and feel that I can make this argument without impunity as it's based entirely from decades…

The IDF's "trauma" isn't the Holocaust. It's a long history of Palestinian terrorism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_Israel... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_at...

We could track reprisals against reprisals against reprisals all day long without unraveling anything. But it's dangerously misleading to suggest that this is purely about what happened in the 1940s. Israel has to deal with the fact that this attack has a lot of precedent.

There is no fair analysis of Israel's actions which does not take this into account. They have very good reason to think that without the actions you're condemning that attacks like this one would occur every day.

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I see stuff like this, and the first place my mind goes isn't to the antisemitism (it really never dies), or student-run organizations saying dumb things (again, not surprising). The first place my mind goes, is... does Harvard not teach history classes?

Based on different discussion here and on different /r/ it looks like curriculums do not really cover british and french adventures in middle east/africa and the outcomes. it feels like only people who live in one of the countries that were impacted/created by drawing lines on maps actually familiar with history of the region

Re: Harvard student groups issued anti-Israel statement, CEOs want them blacklisted

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Hard to claim “right wing cancel culture” when the person is an establishment democrat.

The dominant faction of the Democratic Party is center-right, and the donor base is even more right-weighted.

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