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Non-sequitur
Hard to claim “right wing cancel culture” when the person is an establishment democrat.
Most establishment democrats are right-wing.
Harvard student groups issued anti-Israel statement, CEOs want them blacklisted
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#44Playboy fired pornstar Mia Kalifa for supporting hamas actions. Could you please help me understand, if this is cancel culture or moral backbone of USA ?
'cancel culture' either doesn't exist, or is a new means of explaining an old phenomenon, depending on what you mean. I honestly immediately loose respect for anyone using it non-ironically, because it's just an obvious ploy to manipulate public opinion.
you are also no fun
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#45I find that the many of the collective western reaction to this recent events is no different from some the reaction of russians against people opposing the war in Ukraine. In Germany police will harras/arrest you if you are wearing Palestinian flag even before this events. They even ban any try to organize any event in nakba (anniversary of Palestinians losing their land) [1] There is a suggestion to the English pol…
> The Isreali defence minister is literally using a language that was used during previous genocidal events. He literally said thet they are in a fight with "human animals" [4] Any idea why he would say that?
Because that kind of language is a distraction from the way that actively supporting Hamas to keep Palestinians divided even despite their terrorism and increasing capacity has long been the Netanyahu (and for even longer, Israeli) policy.
Heck, Hamas largely exists because Israel funded the Islamist network that grew into it to weaken the PLO's support among Palestinians decades ago, and supporting Hamas as a counterweight to first the PLO and later the PA has been a long-term policy that periodically blows up in Israel's face, and when it does, it becomes very important to distract from the policy that led up to it.
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#46I find that the many of the collective western reaction to this recent events is no different from some the reaction of russians against people opposing the war in Ukraine. In Germany police will harras/arrest you if you are wearing Palestinian flag even before this events. They even ban any try to organize any event in nakba (anniversary of Palestinians losing their land) [1] There is a suggestion to the English pol…
> The Isreali defence minister is literally using a language that was used during previous genocidal events. He literally said thet they are in a fight with "human animals" [4] Any idea why he would say that?
he was referring to hamas. not to population of gaza in general.
people in israel are somewhat emotional those days. biggest jewish civilian life loss since wwII in one day. if you extrapolate it to us population, it's if 37000 civilians are murdered in 1 day in brutal way. pretty much everbody in israel either lost somebody or knows somebody who did.
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Everybody has their own gaze with which they judge what they see. As someone who has been following world politics since young age and really would love to see this seemingly everlasting conflict resolved and human suffering on all sides reduced, my prefered solution would be one where the Palestinians are alive, free and lost all incentives to carry out terrorist attacks so that both sides in this conflict can final…
>My worry is that this is not something a big part of Israel even wants to attempt — or maybe they lost the faith that this could ever be possible — so they want the Palestinians to just be gone you are kind wrong. majority of population realists. everybody knows that palestinians don't go anywhere. there are no majority opinion in favor of "genociding" palestinians. majority of population was excited to hear news ab…
> you are kind wrong. majority of population realists.
I have no doubt about that. If you read my post I did not use the word majority anywhere. I used "a big part". Now the obvious question is: how big is "big" from the perspective of such a conflict? I don't think it needs many hardliners on both sides to keep the thing going indefinitely. It then just needs many who shrug and let them do it.
> collective punishment" is a good way to take very complicated situation that developed over last 100 years and reduce is to two words. kudos
Discussing a topic always entails reducing things into a shorter, abstract form, otherwise you cannot discuss them at all. We make maps of the landscape in order to orient, carrying around the landscape in 1:1 turned out to be impractical.
So you can (and should) reason against my choice of abstraction and tell me why you think it is a poor choice that doesn't describe the reality on the ground (and I might learn something from your answer). But demanding that I can't use abstraction at all and demanding the impossible is less productive.
I chose the abstraction of "collective punishment" very carefully. The Gaza strip is a densely populated area with a big fraction of the population being kids below a age where they could even understand what is going on. Those kids have been born into that conflict and they did nothing wrong — just like Israeli kids that got slaughtered by Hamas did nothing wrong.
Collective punishments like the terrorist attacks of Hamas or Israel turning off the water and electricity for the Gaza strip or bombing their homes (be it as collateral or on purpose) is a good way to create the next wave of violence and the next generation of terrorists.
I get that the reality on the ground is important. But the reality on the ground was also what perpetuated the Thirty Years' War — which is why I proposed taking a step back and out of it is the only way to put a stop to it. The complexities violent conflicts produce are the reason why it is hard to end them. Historically without a rule of law you could have cycles of revenge and counter-revenge going on for centuries. But what happens if we are not talking about two enemy clans, but a state and a people? If you ask me, the state has to step up and attempt the impossible: Protecting the rule of law and human rights while still protecting it's people from the violence of asymmetric warfare.
I have enough friends that live in the area (mostly on the Israeli side tho) to have an idea what this conflict can entail on a personal level, but that doesn't mean one cannot have a more systemic look at things.
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>Say what you will about them voicing a poorly informed opinion if you must how do you differentiate between poorly informed opinions and poorly formed morals ? (in this specific case poorly informed opinion (if this is what it is) may lead to offer been revoked due to inability to perform research. sounds like a must for a law firm)
> in this specific case poorly informed opinion... It's hard to not see the IDF as a barbarous relic of it's own collective trauma from the Holocaust at this point; I personally think they are just as appalling as the German Nazis themselves and the US enables and funds this for Geo-political strategy: I believe in free speech and feel that I can make this argument without impunity as it's based entirely from decades…
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#49I'd like to read the full statement. Of course CNN doesn't link to it or provide the full text. The actions of Hamas are beyond unconscionable, but unconscionable acts by Israel in the past arguably caused the recent terrorist attacks.
Not at all true.
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#50I see stuff like this, and the first place my mind goes isn't to the antisemitism (it really never dies), or student-run organizations saying dumb things (again, not surprising). The first place my mind goes, is... does Harvard not teach history classes?
I want to seriously question what you mean by "History". The history I understand places blame on the British Empire and the neo Israeli State. My understanding of this situation is that terrorism is initiated by Islamic jihadists. The environment that allows those jihadists to thrive is created by Israel. The Gaza strip, is the poster child of how to create an adversarial environment that breeds terrorism.
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