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I'm curious, since you mentioned this, and I've never really understood the alternative to euthanasia. Your vet said to take the dog in when it wouldn't eat for more than 3 days, and you did. What would've happened if you didn't take the dog in? If you kept leaving food out for it in case it did eat, but expecting that it probably wouldn't. I imagine the dog would die on its own, but I have no idea of the time frame…
Good question. During that time we didn't know exactly what was wrong. I brought her in for the boil, we ran lots of tests, and the only thing we could determine was that she was anemic. If she ate more she was anemic less as long as the wound continued to aspirate. I cleaned it up every night, kept a patch on it, and fed her whatever would make her eat her dog food. That ended up being lots of hot dogs, burgers, and…
A suicide crisis among veterinarians
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Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
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> > "There's an idea that veterinarians work on the belief that it's right to euthanise a hopeless case," says Volk, "and we are seeing ourselves, emotionally, as hopeless cases." Fuck me that is dark.
The realization that to some pet, you're merely a fallible god, but one who can often offer little but death in an alien place, filled with the scent of sick, dying, and/or terrified other animals. Why am I here? Did I do something wrong? And your face is the last one they see. Run through that a thousand times per year and, unless you have monastic levels of detachment, you might end up feeling as if you were little…
Forgive me if I steal this quote.
Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
#363Yeah lot vet suicides? How about among veterinarians, people in communities with a lot of fentanyl running around, people in communities with a lot of firearms lying around, people in the military, pretty much fucking anyone with the means who isn’t both of crazy rich and top-decile socially integrated in the scraps of community that haven’t yet been buried by social desertification (whatever your thoughts on the necessity of lockdown, there’s little dispute that it hit the “public space” about as hard as anything can).
We do a pretty good job of making suicide extremely risky, extremely painful, or both to prevent people doing it, which is probably a good thing depending on one’s exact ethics, but people like veterinarians create a natural experiment in whether that’s a mechanism preventing some avoidable tragedies here and there or a dam holding back the deluge.
You can debate the exact numbers and playing games with the stats is a huge industry so footnoting is just begging to have a nerd dick ruler thread, but whether it’s “what subset of the top quartile will ever, ever be financially secure by any definition” or “what subset of the two bottom quartiles will ever have sex” or “MTBF on watching some prick fail upwards in every conceivable field such that it’s happening right next to you and getting called capitalism”, or how long it’s been since some politician (or their kid, or their kid’s spouse) smoothly pivoted from some broad-daylight felony to barking about UFOs on C-Span: truckloads of suicide and mass shootings (~4/day FYI) is exactly what you would expect. The offensive lie that cheap consumer electronics dragging the averages all over the place means anyone “has it better” is icing on the cake. Yeah, a computer used to cost more than an airplane and now costs nothing. Yay.
5 years ago online dating (which is already a piss-poor substitute and regrettable necessity) kicked out a good enough match that I was engaged for a few years. Today (and I know how to do the science on the creatives) anyone who has ever seen a take-no-prisoners conversion funnel takes one look and says “top of funnel for OnlyFans, OF-style social, or some escort ad, got it”.
And this is all eminently fixable: merely enforcing the laws we already have on the books against big corporate cartels, politicians, and the donor class would get you like 60% of the way there. You’d need to like, mandate benefits for part-time workers and it would be 75%.
Suicide prevention is a noble cause right up to the point where it has effectively become the walls around a forced-labor camp.
Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
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One of my favorite cats has a bad tumor and a 3 month expected life span. I found out a few days ago. I’m shattered and the thought of having to be in the room or not is just super depressing. I’ve never lost a pet before or even someone very close to me. I’m scared for how bad it’s going to hurt Part of me (most of me) wants to be there to feel the pain in the deepest way and not bitch out. To be there for the last…
My little parrot died in my hands, and while it was sad, I was (and still am) glad that she didn’t die alone. She’d been ill, and I was about to take her back to the vet to have that final shot, so it was not shocking. Be there for your friend. It won’t make the hurt go away, and it may even be a bit scary, but it will help your healing process.
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I think one of the worst things about society right now is we don’t share the burden amongst ourselves. The dirty work so to speak is delegated to specialists and our hands stay completely clean. I’m not saying pet owners should euthanize their animals but staying there in the room while the vet did their work probably helped, and the article mentions that owners leaving is part of the problem.
I often think that I would prefer to euthanize my dog myself. He is absolutely terrified of going to the vet (of strangers as well), and having to do it there makes it that much worse. I'm one of only a handful of people he trusts.
Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
#366We can talk about other negative aspects of being a vet, but the primary factor is that they know how: > But that reality of the job can also colour the way veterinarians view human lives – including their own – and for those already experiencing suicidal ideation, it can provide a simple justification: death is preferable to suffering. In a 2021 survey by pharmaceutical company Merck, 12.5% of the veterinarians surv…
Mental health care is rarely affordable or accessible even in countries with socialized health care systems. I guess that explains the rise of tele mental health sessions via apps, but who would trust them? Privacy is already a big issue, and it’s even more important when it comes to mental health care
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It was my first time losing anyone/anything close to me as well. I was acutely distressed for a good month and basically non functional for a week or so, which is embarrassing to admit, but this cat was with me through some really dark times when no people were there for me. I was holding her body and just wailing when we got home - I was a 30 something year old woman and I needed my mom to come over to manage what t…
That makes me feel a lot better... thank you
Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
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I also grew up “country”, descending from a long line of rednecks. I think growing up around livestock and farm-pets (cats belong in the barn and are basically disposable…) leads to a super-different relationship with animals from what city folk have. Being around, and dealing, a lot more death. Doesn’t hit one as hard as people who didn’t have that experience.
> Doesn’t hit one as hard as people who didn’t have that experience. Can't say I agree with that statement--it still hurts hard when animals you've raised for a very long time die. However, I pretty much concur with the rest. Animals are not small people--they are animals. If they are a young animal with good recovery and lots of lifespan ahead, sure, I'll spend money. Broken bones. Natch. Swallowed something stupid.…
Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
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Do you know how much it costs to maintain and operate an imagining (MRI, X-Ray, etc.) machine? Do you know how much it costs to maintain staff (doctors, techs, office assistants, etc.) As someone that used to think the same way as you, and then got to see other side of the business (my wife is a Veterinarian who runs an urgent care facility) —— it’s easy to think the way you do without seeing the costs incurred on th…
Shouldn’t we as a society front the cost for the services ? I guess, socializing pet care is going to be a far step behind socializing human medicine and that is still a hot topic. There is enough wealth created in our economy to cover these costs, and more, but heaven forbid a company not make more profit this year than last.
Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
#370My wife is a vet. One big issue is that most people don’t have pet insurance. But they do have medical insurance. As a consequence they are completely surprised by the out-of-pocket costs of medical procedures. Hip surgery (to pick something at random) is hip surgery, even if it’s for a dog. It still costs thousands of dollars. But a significant portion of the population expects to pay what they would pay for insuran…
I looked into pet insurance. The best cover I could find would have cost me £250/year, and would only cover up to £7500. It cost me £7000 for my cat to spend 2 days in "ICU", nothing surgical, though they did do a _cat scan_ and put him on oxygen. I found the cost of insurance ludicrous given how expensive the vet was and how little the insurance would cover. Granted ICU is expensive, I would still expect there to be…