I wonder why when Stockholm did it, it made the news, but, say Kraków did it we don't see it. City pays for PR?
Probably just sends a press release.
Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
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I really wish we could get more pedestrian focus in the US. While this does still allow cars, it seems like it's a start. Meanwhile in NY some people are all up in arms about the congestion toll. In Boston a certain subset of people are losing their minds at one of our streets going pedestrian only on Saturdays during the summer. the US really has a crazy relationship with cars
It's such a shame. Walking through the no-car areas that popped up during covid was soooooooooo nice. I didn't even have to think about the possibility of getting hit by a giant truck! Oh well, the 3 inch curb will keep me safe I guess.
In Boston I feel like we didn't really get much of that, there was just less traffic.
Or I just didn't know about it? But I am honestly jealous. Being able to walk, not worry about cars and have plenty of room to not need to weave through slow walkers is amazing. And my health benefits from the extra walking.
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#143However small it is, it seems far preferable to Berlin's approach of building a highway down the middle while simultaneously refusing to even consider the 20 35 target.
Why? Cars are the most convenient way of transportation.
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I see they went with the "think of the children": > The study found that children who grow up on roads in the capital with particularly high emissions have worse-than-average lung capacity when compared to other children, from as early as six months old. This will only accelerate the move to the suburbs of the families having children themselves and who can't yet afford an EV, leaving the cities themselves (as I susp…
I don't think this deserves to be downvoted. Alas the "you'll own nothing and you'll like it" / "you'll go where we say according to our schedules and you'll like it" crowd is strong here. You're right of course that not having a car self-evidently limits the things you can do (yes even in your country that has flawless transit that is free and goes "everywhere"), and is even worse if you have children. Want to go to…
“You will drink nothing behind the wheel until we approve it.”
“You will wear this belt because we say so. You have no freedom.”
If _they_ don’t want you to go somewhere, your car surely won’t take you there.
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does Western life experience necessitate a car? Big cities don’t require a car at all.
Why is what's "required" a consideration? Almost nothing in modern life is required. You don't need AC, heat, refrigeration, video games, movies etc. NONE of that is a requirement and it all contributes to climate change. Part of living in a free society is that you get to have things that aren't required. IF I want to buy the biggest gas guzzling truck there is, I should have the right to do so since I'll be spendin…
What about other people's freedom to not breath polluted air from bigger trucks ?
The freedom to impose on other people's freedom is a funny one.
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#146The people in nordic countries seem so naive to me. They trust their governments, their authorities to do this stuff, to both determine the greater good and then implement it. The political class couldn't possibly act immorally, for their own benefit, apparently. Whereas the reality is that these actions are preplanned internationally and designed (by opaque agencies such the club of Rome and the UN) in order for ind…
> It's quite amazing to me that people are going to lose freedom of movement
This isn't what "freedom of movement" means.
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You have obviously not been to Stockholm during morning rush. Stockholm have an extensive subway, as well as buses. Or just using the (often quite wide) sidewalks to walk. The amount of kids moving around (themselves) to get to their schools is almost overwhelming. Oh, and the best schools are really in the downtown area. Which is why children, kids, teenagers use the public transport from all around the metro area b…
Yeah, seeing 7 year olds taking the subway with their parents, just to change two stations later like any other commuter, is always a fun and cool thing to see.
I take my 6 year old on the train all the time a few stops living in London and have since she was much smaller whats wrong with kids on trains (small children are keen on trains and buses btw).
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Next time you are in Munich, take public transport of any kind between 7 and 7:30 in the morning on a normal school day, there are sometimes morw school kids of all ages in a given subway car than adults. Pretty funny to witness, seeing the little ones behaving like all the adult commuters, head phones and all until they meet their friends.
I can understand "of all ages" rather more, e.g. a teenager and two younger kids all going to the same place. Not young kids riding solo.
They are, starting around 6 years from what I've seen. So basically as soon as the kids start to go school.
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> Most kids know how to use the public transportation Not kids from age 3-10, and from then on really just a simple one bus or tram route. There's no point pretending this isn't a big issue. You might say it's worth those people leaving the city to make it happen, but saying it's not life-changing for them is doing them a massive disservice.
I can assure you that somewhere around the 6-7 year mark, it is completely normal for kids to take public transport to go to school. It is where I live, it is in Munich (always fun to end up in the school rush hour sharing the subway with all those little ones riding the train like a pro). It is simply normal for those and nothing even remotely special or weird.
The UK is weird about kids. In the 80s I started travelling as a young kid to school on the bus on my own but it's less common now.
+ After a while of my mum taking me on the train to London I just asked her to send me on my own where I could get picked up at the other end, it was fine.
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Having lived in some places around Europe, my quality of life is always increased by owning a motor vehicle. I do not use it daily, I do not commute with it, but there are trips which are far more practical with a personal motor vehicle than otherwise, like fetching people from an airport, taking a pet to a vet, driving further out for a hike, hauling groceries.
Maybe some sort of distance-dependent taxation on cars may be a more viable option, so that people can enjoy private commutes when they absolutely need it, while still pushing people towards public transport.
How about no? Why do you you think you need to patronize people like that?