US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

Post by paulddraper » Tue, Oct 10, 2023, 10:40 PM UTC

hoofhearted wrote: post #209

sandworm101 wrote: post #25

My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

The manufacturers got sued by the EPA for not actually enforcing the “for track use” only rule. A lot of the big name exhaust companies have stopped producing catless products; and others require all of your information to be on file if you’re buying a catless race downpipe. A lot of the install shops around here in Maryland that run a legit receipt paper trail of work type of business won’t even touch catless instal…

Post by westmeal » Tue, Oct 10, 2023, 10:43 PM UTC

pseg134 wrote: post #218

ChuckMcM wrote: post #141

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If you seriously want to take action here, then do this; 1) Look up your city ordinances on sound, there should be copies of this is the reference section of your city's public library. Identify the ordinance and paragraph that the people nearby are violating. Record/video one or more violations on your phone. 2) Call the police, don't "complain about the noise", tell them you want to "swear out a complaint" for viol…

I’m sure this has worked but I have gotten the same result by writing fix your exhaust on a piece of paper and tying it to a brick and throwing it through their back windshield. Some times two wrongs make a right.

Post by ewagsjr » Tue, Oct 10, 2023, 10:44 PM UTC

Scoundreller wrote: post #87

beardyw wrote: post #15

Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?

Sometimes to avoid costlier mechanical work like changing O2 sensors, where often cars still give a check-engine-light if you use an aftermarket one (dunno why the aftermarket ones are so poor that they cause emissions problems or if the car’s computer was deliberately/unintentionally so sensitive to force people onto OEM parts).

Post by datavirtue » Tue, Oct 10, 2023, 10:46 PM UTC

MarCylinder wrote: post #246

fsckboy wrote: post #106

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> My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. ok, it's just a single datapoint, but motocross racetracks in New England, already built in the woods away from civilization, started requiring mufflers about 50 years ago, early 1970's

Mufflers do not impact emissions. In the case of gasoline cars, there are mechanisms for controlling intake air, recirculating exhaust gas, and filtering emissions directly out of the exhaust gases. All of these impact carbon emissions. These defeat devices allow drivers to modify some or all of these attributes in favor of gaining engine performance.

Post by paulddraper » Tue, Oct 10, 2023, 10:48 PM UTC

westmeal wrote: post #249

ceejayoz wrote: post #201

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> pollute as much as 10,000 modified diesel trucks This is insanely hyperbolic. A Cessna Citation I carries 564 gallons of fuel, with which it can travel ~1,500 miles - 2.7mpg. A Ford F-250 carries 48 gallons of fuel, with which it can travel ~700 miles - 14mpg. It's not even 10x.

They're not in a fuckin Cessna.