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US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by ceejayoz »

sam345 wrote: post #227
ceejayoz wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private jets don't use leaded gas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel No amount of cherry picking is gonna get you to the 10,000x number upthread.

Just curious, where in the wikipedia article does it say Private jets don't use leaded gas ? Just searching the article for "lead" only gets this quote: "The possibility of environmental legislation banning the use of leaded avgas (fuel in spark-ignited internal combustion engine, which usually contains tetraethyllead (TEL), a toxic substance added to prevent engine knocking), and the lack of a replacement fuel with…

Avgas is not used in jets. It’s for the little four seat propeller Cessnas you see tooling around.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by Blackcatmaxy »

ceejayoz wrote: post #230
Blackcatmaxy wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private planes absolutely still use leaded gas https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/leaded-gas-wa... https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/leaded-aviation-fuel-and-enviro...

Yes, if you change entire words in my post you can make it say anything you like.

Parent talked about private planes which you changed to talk about specifically private jets which doesn't disprove "many planes" using leaded gas.

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Post by wutwutwat »

tbyehl wrote: post #196
plagiarist wrote: post #121

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I have never heard of a municipality actually enforcing their sound regulations other than live performances being shut down.

Where I grew up, an automotive noise citation was easy to beat in court because the law incorporated a complicated and exacting standard for measurement.

Most citations can get off on technicalities but that involves missing work, appearing in court, mounting a defense, and the gamble of owing the fine + additional court costs if you lose, and they probably, literally, bank on the probability that most people just pay the fine. Speeding tickets can be thrown out if the radar wasn’t recently calibrated, just have to ask about it in court. Window tint is the same deal, when was it last calibrated and documented to be within spec? Etc.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by ceejayoz »

Blackcatmaxy wrote: post #232
ceejayoz wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, if you change entire words in my post you can make it say anything you like.

Parent talked about private planes which you changed to talk about specifically private jets which doesn't disprove "many planes" using leaded gas.

Direct quote from the parent: “ If you’re a wealthy politician with a private jet”

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by pseg134 »

genter wrote: post #119
grepfru_it wrote: post #100

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Let me translate for you: Management (the courts) do not find it lucrative enough (political capital) to pursue weak cases (lax laws passed by the legislative branch). In order to fix you must bring awareness in your local community to the problem (lax laws) and petition change (raise political capital). The courts and byproxy, enforcement, will follow. The larger the city, the more difficult this becomes.

No, I believe the officer I talked to didn't care and thought I was a pansy.

To be fair to that cop I think you were too. Did you try solving the problem for yourself first?

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Post by [deleted] »

dieselgate wrote: post #115
beardyw wrote: post #15

Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?

Often times it's the removal of a complicated system that is failure prone - less filters to get clogged and stuff like that. Edit: people generally don't do things for the "sole purpose of polluting more" it's often functional. Many diesel drivers don't like others who roll coal as the image is bad in general - heavy equipment will often produce black smoke because the engine is being worked for a purpose and it's l…

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Post by rumblerock »

sandworm101 wrote: post #25

My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

I for one love that BMW built the catalytic converters into the exhaust manifolds on my car, meaning that the only CARB-viable route outside of gambling on used units is a $10k replacement.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by wutwutwat »

RajT88 wrote: post #159
miguelazo wrote: post #84

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Most municipalities, especially ones relying on cops to enforce these rules, rarely take action on these complaints.

These rules are usually used as probable cause to target someone the police officer was already targeting. "Profiling" is the better word for it maybe.

If I chop the muffler off my car and run around revving the hell out of my engine I’m not going to say I was targeted or profiled after I’m pulled over in the vehicle that’s calling out to nearby police to take notice of me, regardless of what I’m ticketed for in the end. The squeaky wheel gets the grease as they say. You don’t want to be “targeted” or “profiled” (which isn’t what that would be anyway), then you need to blend.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by ospzfmbbzr »

dieselgate wrote: post #150
imp0cat wrote: post #131

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I think the reason is (any diesel mechanics around please correct me if I'm wrong) that modern engines stripped of their emissions equipment will pollute a lot more than old engines.

I understand the reasoning and am all for mitigating pollution. It may be frustrating for consumers when these systems have potential to decrease economy, performance, and reliability while increasing cost and maintenance.

In the case of the DEF it absolutely reduces the lifespan of the engine. A truck engine that could last 500K miles lasts 200K max.

Factor a second or third engine (whole new truck) and the energy and pollution to produce it and DEF looks not as great.

Vehicles and engines that last 25 years are easy to build yet they are rare outside of commerical and military.

The whole argument is disengenuous and proceeds from an unstated a priori desire by government to restrict movement of citizens and markets, rather than as a real requirement for a real benefit.

It's all so tiresome...

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Post by Aurornis »

Scoundreller wrote: post #96

My experience is that eBay screws up their filters and wayyy overfilters. The Canadian government has some secret spat with Xiaomi cellphones and got eBay, newegg and Amazon to stop their sale. They weren’t approved for sale in Canada, but I suspect some other reasoning for targeting a Chinese manufacturer in particular and not all the other unapproved products. However, eBay just blocked anything with “xiaomi” in th…

> My experience is that eBay screws up their filters and wayyy overfilters.

This is what happens when the penalties are high and users are motivated to evade keyword filtering.

I doubt it's what eBay wants to do, but if the law is unclear about how filtering must be done then companies will over-filter to stay safe.

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