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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by imp0cat »

dieselgate wrote: post #107
valianteffort wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone lives in California so while OEM's might produce all cars to meet California standards, it is completely legal in states with more relaxed laws to make such modifications. At the least I think the government could argue about selling in jurisdictions where it is illegal.

To tap into this thread - this is quite real. One can just remove a catalytic converter (or have it stolen) and they'd then be "defeating emissions" so this lawsuit seems a bit zealous to me. Recently saw a post on a diesel truck forum about a CA resident who had legal/registration issues because of an engine swap (post emissions engine into a pre-emissions vehicle) [1] Am under the impression this particular vehicle…

I think the reason is (any diesel mechanics around please correct me if I'm wrong) that modern engines stripped of their emissions equipment will pollute a lot more than old engines.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by LazyMans »

swatcoder wrote: post #22
beardyw wrote: post #15

Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?

There are aesthetic, performance, financial, and ideological reasons for people to evade many regulatory requirements for cars. For emissions in particular, you may miss out on some vrooom or roar from your car, or you may find yourself tasked to make expensive repairs in order to keep it on the road. These are comparatively cheap ways around that.

Right. I'm not putting a $1500 catalytic converter on my $1800 prius. Just to have it stolen again.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by RC_ITR »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #55
WirelessGigabit wrote: post #50

This is wonderful. I wish they did the same about modifications done to increase the noise. I've got 2 people living nearby that both have straight-piped their car and I literally cover my ears when they pass by. My Watch literally tells me that a noise peak happened when they drive by.

Not to mention good old fashioned overpowered unfocused led lighting. Its been a meme with the truck bros for years, but now these products have entered the general lighting supply. Now your landlord replaces the garage light with one thats brighter than the sun and shines into your bedroom. You will end up like Kramer in the chicken roaster episode of Seinfeld .

Say what you will about over-engineering, but the Germans got it so so so right with their metal full black out shades.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by oceanplexian »

fsckboy wrote: post #106
sandworm101 wrote: post #25

My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

> My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. ok, it's just a single datapoint, but motocross racetracks in New England, already built in the woods away from civilization, started requiring mufflers about 50 years ago, early 1970's

We’re not taking about mufflers. For example in California “Emissions defeat system” means you simply used an off-brand air filter that wasn’t blessed by the government.

The parts may even be more efficient and less polluting, the government bureaucracy everyone here is worshipping doesn’t give a rats behind.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by bdcravens »

genter wrote: post #127
bdcravens wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably a gearhead showing his personal bias.

The really frustrating thing is I love cars. I love driving, I love shifting though the gears, I love working on them, I've replaced headgaskets, rebuilt transmissions, and regeared differentials. I just hate how obnoxious noisy vehicles are.

For sure - I love speed myself. (Ironic that my fastest car ever is also the quietest, but EVs are a different creature). I guess not everyone has the same ethos that our personal enjoyment doesn't entitle us to encroach on others.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by oceanplexian »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #122
sidewndr46 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is incorrect. Federal law prohibits the removal of emissions devices on a vehicle, even if not used on public roads.

Which makes sense. It's not like pollution stays confined within the track area.

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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by lokar »

genter wrote: post #119
grepfru_it wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me translate for you: Management (the courts) do not find it lucrative enough (political capital) to pursue weak cases (lax laws passed by the legislative branch). In order to fix you must bring awareness in your local community to the problem (lax laws) and petition change (raise political capital). The courts and byproxy, enforcement, will follow. The larger the city, the more difficult this becomes.

No, I believe the officer I talked to didn't care and thought I was a pansy.

This. More so for loud motorcycles, since cops tend to also own them.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by lokar »

plagiarist wrote: post #121
wutwutwat wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your municipality likely has noise ordinances for anything above a certain decibel level. This can be handled by your local PD giving them tickets for their exhausts. I’ve seen it done before. If they keep getting tickets/fines they will likely change their exhausts. You can probably call the city about it but you can also call the cops. Just remember what they say about snitches.

I have never heard of a municipality actually enforcing their sound regulations other than live performances being shut down.

Laguna beach is pretty strict on out of towners with loud pipes

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by userabchn »

RC_ITR wrote: post #133
kjkjadksj wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention good old fashioned overpowered unfocused led lighting. Its been a meme with the truck bros for years, but now these products have entered the general lighting supply. Now your landlord replaces the garage light with one thats brighter than the sun and shines into your bedroom. You will end up like Kramer in the chicken roaster episode of Seinfeld .

Say what you will about over-engineering, but the Germans got it so so so right with their metal full black out shades.

But unfortunately it is the type of thing that, although obviously a superior solution, is unlikely to be adopted in the rest of the world. Where I live, as, I think, in most places, people would think you were very strange if you put those kinds of metal shutters on your windows, and I can even imagine neighbours being displeased with you as it makes it look like it is a bad neighbourhood.
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