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Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Oct 07, 2023, 3:52 PM UTC

balfirevic wrote: post #160

RoyalHenOil wrote: post #154

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I oppose UBI for unrelated reasons: giving everyone money (if it is actually a life-changing amount of money) is unaffordable. It's hugely wasteful to give money to wealthy people. Instead, I would prefer a system where people receive payments relative to income, like a reverse tax system. This way, people in higher income brackets pay in (in the form of taxes) and people in lower income brackets get a pay out. This…

Those two system are the same - or rather - can be the same depending on how you tweak the parameters. Wealthy people will pay much more in taxes than what they receive in UBI and you can make this system have the exact same distribution of money as the negative income tax system.

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Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Post by beerdoggie » Sat, Oct 07, 2023, 5:57 PM UTC

beerdoggie wrote: post #48

The argument no one has brought up yet: why should society have to pay up even more for breeders' personal choices? People without kids have to pay higher taxes (via rebates for parents), utilize less resources (public schools), effectively subsidizing people who want to have kids. I'm all for protecting what's best for children, but I am not happy with people having children they cannot adequately support, causing o…

These replies are all hilarious. It's a foregone conclusion in all of your minds that we need to continue scaling up our population to drive our economy.

Humans don't deserve to destroy the earth just so they can keep their ego projects going.

Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Post by mrits » Sun, Oct 08, 2023, 1:59 PM UTC

lotsoweiners wrote: post #156

mrits wrote: post #40

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I'm a bit bias since I don't pay for childcare but I don't have an issue with childcare being expensive as long as the profit is going directly to the workers. I have a hard time understanding why we don't want talented and ambitious people to raise our children.

> I have a hard time understanding why we don't want talented and ambitious people to raise our children. I’ve had my kids in some of the best childcare centers in an expensive area so this made me spit up my drink.

If you educated yourself about the problem you'd understand that childcare workers are usually making very little money while the businesses are taking the profit. Clean up your drink

Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy » Mon, Oct 09, 2023, 2:36 PM UTC

samatman wrote: post #140

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #49

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You know you've lost the plot when even child care is looked at through the lense of capitalistic markets. Maybe fuck the markets and lets do what is best for the children and the parents. Or is that a radical idea nowadays?

Childcare is a market, the same way bread is. Like bread, family might provide it out of their own time and money, but otherwise, you have to pay someone. Doing what is best for the children and parents is a market intervention, and ignoring how markets work when coming up with market interventions has a pretty bad track record. Markets don't exist in a vacuum, they can involve the public sector: primary education is…

and if the state actors didn't supply their own police force, policing would also be a market.

the question isn't "is it a market", the question is "should it be a market"?

The issue here is the idea that the market is more important than the upbringing of a child.

Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Post by samatman » Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 5:06 PM UTC

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #164

samatman wrote: post #140

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Childcare is a market, the same way bread is. Like bread, family might provide it out of their own time and money, but otherwise, you have to pay someone. Doing what is best for the children and parents is a market intervention, and ignoring how markets work when coming up with market interventions has a pretty bad track record. Markets don't exist in a vacuum, they can involve the public sector: primary education is…

and if the state actors didn't supply their own police force, policing would also be a market. the question isn't "is it a market", the question is "should it be a market"? The issue here is the idea that the market is more important than the upbringing of a child.

Of course policing is a market, what on earth makes you think it isn't?

State funded, yes, but police departments are in a labor competition with other police forces, private security, and anything else a cop could be doing instead. If a department wants more police, or better ones, they have to pay for that.

The idea that the market is more or less important than the upbringing of a child is nonsensical, I have no idea what you mean by that, it's like asking if acceleration is more important than luminance.