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Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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Post by locallost »

The article is a bit short on photos and options. There are some more here, although still not completely clear how they actually look like in terms of actual space and comfort https://www.nightjet.com/de/komfortkategorien/nightjet-neue-...

But otherwise they look nice. I am not a big fan personally because it's not so easy to sleep, but it's a dream for traveling with small kids. You put them in bed and they wake up next day 6-7am for breakfast. Then they sit down in pyjamas, drink hot chocolate or tea, butter their bread, and watch the landscape as you roll to your destination.

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Post by fy20 »

Reason077 wrote: post #69
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some countries (China is the most notable example) have security checks prior to boarding a train comparable to flying. In Poland, if you buy your ticket for an Intercity train online, the conductor will ask for your ID to ensure the names match. The state, or perhaps just the operator, seems to be concerned about who is paying and traveling in this case. One can still buy tickets with cash, though.

Eurostar also has airport-style security between London and continental Europe.

I find it interesting that LeShuttle (the same tunnel between France and UK, but where you drive your car onto the train) does not. They barely do any security checks on cars, and only seem to glance briefly at passports.

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Post by gchadwick »

rubicon33 wrote: post #74
Reason077 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eurostar also has airport-style security between London and continental Europe.

Not quite as bad. Yes they scan your luggage but shoes stay on and it’s not some crazy full body X-Ray scan

It's also just quicker turning up 1h30 early for a Eurostar is very early, turning up 1h30 early for a plane can be a bit tight.

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Post by explaininjs »

geysersam wrote: post #157
jakear wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rather, the answer (as always) is carbon tax.

But the rate can't be flat. Some types of carbon emissions are more important than others. That has to be taken into account, otherwise carbon tax will never be feasible morally or politically.

Eh… that’s an invitation for lobbyists and politicians to buggar the whole thing up for every self-serving interest imaginable. The simpler the better.

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Post by bandofthehawk »

ddejohn wrote: post #107
fullspectrumdev wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get rid of half of it. Especially the liquid limits, unnecessary pat downs, shoe removal, etc.

The shoes and belts thing is ridiculous, I agree. But there's a legitimate reason for the liquid ban to which I'm not sure there's much of a solution, is there?

Is there a legitimate reason for the liquid ban? AFAIK it was a response to a failed terrorist attempt similar to the shoe bomber, but it's likely that the ban has little to no effect on overall safety.

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/03/tsa_admits_li...

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Post by patall »

One thing that I am missing for all (well, I have booked with 4 in the last years) european night train operators is bed size. Why is this so hard? Sometimes beds are 180cm (6 foot) at best, sometimes (Vy night train to north of sweden) even my friend who is over 2m has plenty of space. Are these web sites & texts written exclusively by and for small women?

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Post by ranit »

inamberclad wrote: post #141
Cryptoclysm wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two hours by plane usually ends up as four and a half in total when you factor in time at the airport, plus you can turn up at your destination first thing in the morning feeling refreshed rather than tired from travelling. Then once you factor in the stress, noise, environmental impact and delays that come with flying, the night train becomes a really attractive option.

Not to mention time traveling to and from the airpot. The Hauptbahnhof is usually right downtown.

What you said is already factored fully in GP’s comment. :-) sorry.

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Post by Aaronmacaron »

bjackman wrote: post #2

I've been taking the ÖBB night trains (Nightjet) a lot the last couple of years. It's a fantastic way to travel, I really hope the network will expand. My only recommendation is not to take one if you absolutely must arrive at the stated time in the morning. They are commonly delayed by multiple hours. So far this has not been a problem for me because the stated arrival times are really early morning. But worth being…

If your train has more than 2 hours delay at your destination you can get a 50% refund. If you don't care whether you arrive on time in the morning this can be a good way to save some money. https://www.oebb.at/de/reiseplanung-services/nach-ihrer-reis...

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Post by geysersam »

explaininjs wrote: post #164
geysersam wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the rate can't be flat. Some types of carbon emissions are more important than others. That has to be taken into account, otherwise carbon tax will never be feasible morally or politically.

Eh… that’s an invitation for lobbyists and politicians to buggar the whole thing up for every self-serving interest imaginable. The simpler the better.

Flat rate just won't work, ever, it's a doomed idea. We need political decision about what kind of emissions are acceptable and what kinds are not.

No way basic necessities, food, transportation should be taxed the same rate as luxury houses and yachts/private jets.

It's not realistic.

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Post by kwhitefoot »

albert180 wrote: post #52
omnibrain wrote: post #22

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The trouble lies in the old rolling stock. They bought all that from Deutsche Bahn who suddenly stopped all sleeper train services a few years ago. Deutsche Bahn had neglected that segment for years and did not invest into more than the bare maintenance to keep the stock rolling.

Because it's unprofitable. We need to either accept that we need to subsidise these kind of services for climate protection or ban flights inside the European Union

In France something like that has already happened:

"Under a government decree, any journeys that are possible in less than two-and-a-half hours by train cannot be taken as a flight. "

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/12/02/is-france-banning-...

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