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Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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> Since 2018 OeBB said all its trains "run on electricity generated exclusively by hydropower, solar and wind power... a milestone for climate protection in Austria" This is easy to debunk. Austria is part of EU grid, and other states produce big part of their electricity from coal and gas. Austria imports that electricity! Plus some trains operated by Oebb are international!

I guess it's one of the usual numbers games in everything related to climate.

"Each day, our trains pull x MWh of energy from the grid and we're paying renewable energy providers for y >= x MWh - therefore we can say our trains run on 100% renewable power."

Whether or not some of the electron domino that finds its end in a train's motor coils happen to have started in a coal plant doesn't matter for this calculation.

You can like this or not, but I guess there aren't a lot of better options as long as renewable and fossil power sources are both supplying the same grid and energy is effectively fungible.

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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post #55

> Since 2018 OeBB said all its trains "run on electricity generated exclusively by hydropower, solar and wind power... a milestone for climate protection in Austria" This is easy to debunk. Austria is part of EU grid, and other states produce big part of their electricity from coal and gas. Austria imports that electricity! Plus some trains operated by Oebb are international!

Big companies like ÖBB can get their power through long-lasting power purchase agreements from renewable energy producers.

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Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's unprofitable. We need to either accept that we need to subsidise these kind of services for climate protection or ban flights inside the European Union

Rather, the answer (as always) is carbon tax.

So, a big fat scam. No thanks.

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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I love travelling by train. You are not treated like a criminal before you can board a train. You can sit and watch the landscape pass by. It's comfortable.

> You are not treated like a criminal before you can board a train.

Is this a reference to airport security?

Edit: not sure why I was downvoted -- I genuinely don't understand this statement.

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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I love travelling by train. You are not treated like a criminal before you can board a train. You can sit and watch the landscape pass by. It's comfortable.

Some countries (China is the most notable example) have security checks prior to boarding a train comparable to flying.

In Poland, if you buy your ticket for an Intercity train online, the conductor will ask for your ID to ensure the names match. The state, or perhaps just the operator, seems to be concerned about who is paying and traveling in this case. One can still buy tickets with cash, though.

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

#69

I love travelling by train. You are not treated like a criminal before you can board a train. You can sit and watch the landscape pass by. It's comfortable.

Some countries (China is the most notable example) have security checks prior to boarding a train comparable to flying. In Poland, if you buy your ticket for an Intercity train online, the conductor will ask for your ID to ensure the names match. The state, or perhaps just the operator, seems to be concerned about who is paying and traveling in this case. One can still buy tickets with cash, though.

Eurostar also has airport-style security between London and continental Europe.
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