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Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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Post by tgv »

swores wrote: post #22
ALittleLight wrote: post #12

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Why can't I blame algorithms? These are heuristics that often misinform people. In my view someone, maybe Biden or the DNC or the FEC or the people asking Alexa, should have a claim to sue Amazon for something like defamation. Amazon has a reckless disregard for the truth and publishes lies through Alexa. (Assuming all this is true, no opinion on that). If Amazon gets sued enough they'll either make their service bet…

Sounds like you support blaming the creators / users of algorithms, not the algorithms themselves? Even if the best solution were to make these types of algorithms & code illegal, it still wouldn't exactly be "blaming" the algorithms - the same as when people call for gun control they're still blaming the shooters of guns for the actual crimes committed, not the guns, but banning the guns is seen (by gun control advo…

Sounds like the post also uses it in those terms: not the set of weights that make up this particular NN, but rather the whole system around it. I infer that from

> People will get the digital society they deserve

Algorithms don't create digital societies, other people do, and they use these algorithms to create them on the cheap.

Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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Post by willis936 »

cbeach wrote: post #40
willis936 wrote: post #36

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I must have missed where Clinton and Pelosi orchestrated the halting of the transition of power by threatening the lives of hundreds of legislators.

Perhaps Clinton and Pelosi’s arguments simply weren’t convincing enough? Some of Trump’s last tweets (before his first amendment rights were violated and his tweets were hidden from the public): “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!” “I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of L…

You will note the times of those tweets are several hours after congress had been fully taken over.

I said Clinton and Pelosi did not orchestrate violence because they didn't and Trump did. He rallied in DC. He told them to march on the capital. I could tell this would happen just from rhetoric in speeches in the preceding week. All of this deflection is nonsense.

Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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Post by [deleted] »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #33
w4ffl35 wrote: post #31

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You stated you are in favor of rigging elections in order to prevent a person you don't want to be president to become president. Nothing you say on this topic is worth listening to.

Not quite. It's not just about personal preferences. It's about someone who is a clear and present danger to our way of life and the security of the country.

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Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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Post by kthejoker2 »

willis936 wrote: post #38
fallingknife wrote: post #9

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Because the FCC has to respect the first amendment

Then why does the FCC limit speech on air and in movies? Sounds like bs to me.

They don't? They regulate "time, place, and manner" of speech.

Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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Post by bdowling »

ggm wrote: post #37
bdowling wrote: post #25

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A terrorist to one person is a freedom fighter to another. Misinformation is the same.

This isn't 4chan, there is an objective reality. Alexa telling people Trump won is in the same space as my digital girlfriend telling me to kill the Queen. It's not smart. If alexa told people to drink bleach, lawyers would be queueing up to hit Bezos for restitution. And, if you read the story the programmers intervened.

Whether a defendant can be held liable for false speech is a different question from whether the government can prohibit the speech in the first place.

My prior comment was a bit tangential and sort of off-topic, but I'll leave it there for context.

Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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Post by mrighele »

nologic01 wrote: post #5

Inane "AI" regurgitating what it is parsing from social media echo chambers as the epitome of "progress". You cant blame algorithms. People will get the digital society they deserve. Unless they do something about it. A sane online world will not materialize as a god-given present. It will the result of informed, enlightened and passionate people banging about the cause for as long as it takes. The challenge is comme…

You can't blame algorithms, you can blame those writing and using them.

Humans at Amazon decided to add such a feature to Alexa, somebody else implemented it and somebody decided to use crap data, so you can blame somebody.

Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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Post by surgical_fire »

nologic01 wrote: post #5

Inane "AI" regurgitating what it is parsing from social media echo chambers as the epitome of "progress". You cant blame algorithms. People will get the digital society they deserve. Unless they do something about it. A sane online world will not materialize as a god-given present. It will the result of informed, enlightened and passionate people banging about the cause for as long as it takes. The challenge is comme…

> It will the result of informed, enlightened and passionate people banging about the cause for as long as it takes.

The interesting part is that people that post bullshit online often believe that they are "informed, enlightened and passionate people banging about the cause for as long as it takes".

Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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Post by georgeplusplus »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #32
georgeplusplus wrote: post #27

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And Whose reality exactly is that? Have you lived outside the US? Socialites in expensive lavish cities are the minority in the world by far. The majority is what you just described, poverty, and lack of education to start. To them you are like Maria Antoinette telling them just eat cake from your cushy little San Fran bubble.

It's not anyone's reality, it's reality, period. Yes, I've lived outside the US - I'm not even from the US. I've lived in 5 different countries. I don't really care how it seems. Ignorance, and offense at having that ignorance called out, is not a sufficient reason to burn a country to the ground and violate the rights of citizens. If it were up to that poor uneducated half of the US, most of them would push for the…

It’s your opinion they’re burning it to the ground but the fact they have survived, and will continue to survive, without your way of thinking and education, speaks volumes.

Walk a mile in their shoes before you Insult and attack their way of life and thinking. that is the definition of ignorance in of itself

Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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Post by peteradio »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #30
swores wrote: post #19

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> "Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time..." - Winston Churchill (Since it's the second quote of his I've used in this thread, I'd like to actively clarify that despite being British I am a long way from being a fan of Churchill, but he does have some good quotes attributed to him!) So when you say "It's a flawed…

Actually, yes! Thank you for asking. First I should point out how utterly ridiculous it is that with all the data we have access too, all our analytical capability and ability to model and simulation, there are not many people working on alternate systems, and anything people come up with is not taken seriously. People would rather poke holes in anything new, even if it has less problems than our current system. I do…

Go find a monarchy to live in then. These ideas are in direct opposition to what the ancestors of our nation were fleeing:

- must act based on current science and knowledge (religious oppression)

- positions of power more power to act unilaterally (monarchy)

- appointed or offered to people from a qualified pool (nobility)

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