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Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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> but if it had been necessary to do so I would have supported it. And this is not going to fuel more conspiracy theories, at all \o/

The people that fail to reason will continue to fail to reason regardless of any comment I make.

You stated you are in favor of rigging elections in order to prevent a person you don't want to be president to become president. Nothing you say on this topic is worth listening to.

Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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The problem is you have half the country severely lacking in education and their thoughts and ideas about what is best for the country don't correspond to reality.

And Whose reality exactly is that? Have you lived outside the US? Socialites in expensive lavish cities are the minority in the world by far. The majority is what you just described, poverty, and lack of education to start. To them you are like Maria Antoinette telling them just eat cake from your cushy little San Fran bubble.

It's not anyone's reality, it's reality, period.

Yes, I've lived outside the US - I'm not even from the US. I've lived in 5 different countries.

I don't really care how it seems. Ignorance, and offense at having that ignorance called out, is not a sufficient reason to burn a country to the ground and violate the rights of citizens.

If it were up to that poor uneducated half of the US, most of them would push for the US to be closer to Gilead.

Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people that fail to reason will continue to fail to reason regardless of any comment I make.

You stated you are in favor of rigging elections in order to prevent a person you don't want to be president to become president. Nothing you say on this topic is worth listening to.

Not quite. It's not just about personal preferences. It's about someone who is a clear and present danger to our way of life and the security of the country.

Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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Why can't I blame algorithms? These are heuristics that often misinform people. In my view someone, maybe Biden or the DNC or the FEC or the people asking Alexa, should have a claim to sue Amazon for something like defamation. Amazon has a reckless disregard for the truth and publishes lies through Alexa. (Assuming all this is true, no opinion on that). If Amazon gets sued enough they'll either make their service bet…

Sounds like you support blaming the creators / users of algorithms, not the algorithms themselves? Even if the best solution were to make these types of algorithms & code illegal, it still wouldn't exactly be "blaming" the algorithms - the same as when people call for gun control they're still blaming the shooters of guns for the actual crimes committed, not the guns, but banning the guns is seen (by gun control advo…

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Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

#35
Clinton and Pelosi claimed the 2016 election was rigged. But they weren’t accused of conspiracy theory (or sedition).

So it’s interesting how we’re so quick to judge people who question the 2020 result.

Particularly given the outright corruption uncovered in The Big Guy’s regime and the government agencies that manipulated social media to cover it up.

Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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post #35

Clinton and Pelosi claimed the 2016 election was rigged. But they weren’t accused of conspiracy theory (or sedition). So it’s interesting how we’re so quick to judge people who question the 2020 result. Particularly given the outright corruption uncovered in The Big Guy’s regime and the government agencies that manipulated social media to cover it up.

I must have missed where Clinton and Pelosi orchestrated the halting of the transition of power by threatening the lives of hundreds of legislators.

Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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You think Alexa has 1st amendment rights, which apply to misinformation? It's a point still under discussion, nothing like settled law.

A terrorist to one person is a freedom fighter to another. Misinformation is the same.

This isn't 4chan, there is an objective reality. Alexa telling people Trump won is in the same space as my digital girlfriend telling me to kill the Queen. It's not smart.

If alexa told people to drink bleach, lawyers would be queueing up to hit Bezos for restitution. And, if you read the story the programmers intervened.

Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

#39
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't I blame algorithms? These are heuristics that often misinform people. In my view someone, maybe Biden or the DNC or the FEC or the people asking Alexa, should have a claim to sue Amazon for something like defamation. Amazon has a reckless disregard for the truth and publishes lies through Alexa. (Assuming all this is true, no opinion on that). If Amazon gets sued enough they'll either make their service bet…

Sounds like you support blaming the creators / users of algorithms, not the algorithms themselves? Even if the best solution were to make these types of algorithms & code illegal, it still wouldn't exactly be "blaming" the algorithms - the same as when people call for gun control they're still blaming the shooters of guns for the actual crimes committed, not the guns, but banning the guns is seen (by gun control advo…

I think it's a two steps process: you first realize that there's an issue with the algorithm. Then, since it doesn't make sense to give a fine to an algorithm, you held the creators and/or users responsible (depending on the specific case).

Re: Amazon's Alexa Telling Users That 2020 Election Was Rigged

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post #35

Clinton and Pelosi claimed the 2016 election was rigged. But they weren’t accused of conspiracy theory (or sedition). So it’s interesting how we’re so quick to judge people who question the 2020 result. Particularly given the outright corruption uncovered in The Big Guy’s regime and the government agencies that manipulated social media to cover it up.

I must have missed where Clinton and Pelosi orchestrated the halting of the transition of power by threatening the lives of hundreds of legislators.

Perhaps Clinton and Pelosi’s arguments simply weren’t convincing enough?

Some of Trump’s last tweets (before his first amendment rights were violated and his tweets were hidden from the public):

“Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”

“I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!”

https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1346912780700577792?s=4...

Fair to say he also questioned the election process in strong terms.

But so did Nancy Pelosi in 2016 when she said: “ Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts.”

https://x.com/speakerpelosi/status/864522009048494080?s=46&t...

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