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Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by pixl97 »

KRAKRISMOTT wrote: post #49
dopeboy wrote: post #40

There's another big factor at play: it's become increasingly easier to film yourself in combat and now encouraged by leadership for propaganda reasons. I've been going to r/combatfootage everyday for the past ~3 years; it has exploded in popularity because like a lot of things in life, war is now recorded and disseminated wide. The ukraine war, specifically with drones outfitted with explosives, has shown this. GoPro…

That subreddit disproportionately censors and removes videos from the other sides. Avoid it unless you enjoy Kool aid

Then visit other subreddits that don't. There are plenty of them.

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by dopeboy »

pixl97 wrote: post #50
dopeboy wrote: post #40

There's another big factor at play: it's become increasingly easier to film yourself in combat and now encouraged by leadership for propaganda reasons. I've been going to r/combatfootage everyday for the past ~3 years; it has exploded in popularity because like a lot of things in life, war is now recorded and disseminated wide. The ukraine war, specifically with drones outfitted with explosives, has shown this. GoPro…

I would say there has always been demand for war footage. The difference is now the actual footage is not filtered by governments, propaganda firms, and typical news media sensibilities. The internet is mostly everywhere, and seemingly everyone has some kind of device capable of filming high definition footage. Even if it's not encouraged, it's still going to be very, very difficult to stop unless you turn off parts…

Great point. No intermediary to filter which means this content gets mass dumped on TG, reddit, etc.

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by gumballindie »

vel0city wrote: post #37
gumballindie wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont know in which country you live in but in some you cant sell land without an access path. And since i cant simply walk to it you’d have to ensure that there are other means to get there. Also that’s part of the deal - cant provide it you wont get my house in return.

OK, I'll work with the FAA to make sure you can launch your rockets no problem. Then the path is just up! Problem solved. Or I dunno, just jump really high. After all you're expecting the Palestinians or Israelis to get there on their own, it can't be that complicated right? Just colonize space, NBD. Then the path is just up! Problem solved. Sure sounds like you're valuing your house billions and billions of dollars…

> Sure sounds like you're valuing your house billions and billions of dollars more than the land on Pluto. But why? There's so much space to colonize

I am advocating for peace not communism. It’s a free market and thats what i want in return for my property.

No need to play hardball. Take it or leave it. I’m happy to leave for greener (well white-tan-brownish) pastures to make room for you. Find me transport and the house is yours.

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by MattGaiser »

ycm_tmp wrote: post #48
MattGaiser wrote: post #2

With the 2nd graph, I am surprised it is that low given that full scale war is basically ongoing. Was some internet cut off in Israel as a result of the attacks?

It was a Sabbath/holiday - many (primarily Orthodox) Jews don't use phones/computers, etc.

If anything then, shouldn't there have been a larger spike? Wouldn't this qualify as a reason to override?

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by whatshisface »

dopeboy wrote: post #52
pixl97 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say there has always been demand for war footage. The difference is now the actual footage is not filtered by governments, propaganda firms, and typical news media sensibilities. The internet is mostly everywhere, and seemingly everyone has some kind of device capable of filming high definition footage. Even if it's not encouraged, it's still going to be very, very difficult to stop unless you turn off parts…

Great point. No intermediary to filter which means this content gets mass dumped on TG, reddit, etc.

All major platforms are heavily moderated.

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by bobthepanda »

konstantinua00 wrote: post #44
bobthepanda wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There might also be network congestion; I would consider this the rate of traffic able to reach Cloudflare.

once again, Cloudshare limits the internet

No? Every mass disaster results in overwhelming a network as people rush to reach their loved ones and emergency services.

9/11 brought down the landline and mobile networks due to network congestion well before Cloudflare existed. Radio traffic on emergency responder networks was 5x normal, and that is before you consider that a lot of responders were off duty and did not bring their radios.

As it is the modern communications networks can hardly handle a planned large event like a music festival. So expecting the Internet to be peachy in an emergency is wishful thinking.

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by somenameforme »

piotrrojek wrote: post #41
temp10723 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would imagine that the decades long Israeli/Palestinian conflict would violate all three. So would the Russian/Ukrainian conflict, and yet[1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30450336

Slightly offtopic, but it's interesting to read comments from that day knowing what we know now. Especially those stating that there will be no conventional war nor loss of life.

I'd add to this that I think that thread is why it's interesting to see/have these discussions on Hacker News. The "appropriate" places for these topics aren't especially interesting because they tend to be ideological echo chambers for one side or the other. That leads to trite and banal "discussion", if it can even be called that. Actually seeing 'real' people all across the spectrum of views, values, backgrounds, and so on is just so much more interesting.

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by vel0city »

gumballindie wrote: post #54
vel0city wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, I'll work with the FAA to make sure you can launch your rockets no problem. Then the path is just up! Problem solved. Or I dunno, just jump really high. After all you're expecting the Palestinians or Israelis to get there on their own, it can't be that complicated right? Just colonize space, NBD. Then the path is just up! Problem solved. Sure sounds like you're valuing your house billions and billions of dollars…

> Sure sounds like you're valuing your house billions and billions of dollars more than the land on Pluto. But why? There's so much space to colonize I am advocating for peace not communism. It’s a free market and thats what i want in return for my property. No need to play hardball. Take it or leave it. I’m happy to leave for greener (well white-tan-brownish) pastures to make room for you. Find me transport and the…

Your point was:

> We have like endless space to colonise yet we fight for land here on earth

And yet you want so many billions of dollars in compensation in equipment to get you to your new homeland instead of just going there on your own. Why are you going to fight me to get what you consider fair compensation for your land on earth from me when I'm offering you so much on Pluto? There's so much land out there, a fair trade for your land should be near zero dollars right? After all there's nearly infinite supply! Quit being so attached to your home.

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by bobthepanda »

somenameforme wrote: post #58
piotrrojek wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slightly offtopic, but it's interesting to read comments from that day knowing what we know now. Especially those stating that there will be no conventional war nor loss of life.

I'd add to this that I think that thread is why it's interesting to see/have these discussions on Hacker News. The "appropriate" places for these topics aren't especially interesting because they tend to be ideological echo chambers for one side or the other. That leads to trite and banal "discussion", if it can even be called that. Actually seeing 'real' people all across the spectrum of views, values, backgrounds,…

The fact that these conversations are rare on HN, is why the conversation tends not to be trite and banal.
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