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Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by kasey_junk »

DragonStrength wrote: post #4
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #2

Meanwhile, the US added 336,000 jobs in September, more than double the estimates. https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-job-growth-beats-expec...

The article discusses the sectors for most of those jobs, which is hospitality. The sorts of jobs most people who visit this site are seeking remain in decline. IT unemployment is about double the rate of overall unemployment currently.

That’s not at all what the report shows. You can just look it up https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

The IT sector has a slightly higher unemployment rate 4.3 than the headline rate 3.9. And there is a special note about the IT rate being specifically impacted by the tv industry strikes as the sector covering sound and film engineers makes up most of the IT unemployment number.

The industry that actually has a significantly higher rate is leisure and hospitality at 5.4.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

ushakov wrote: post #20
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #19

I'm going to treat this like a product engineering discussion User Story: As a Private Citizen and Engineer, I want a graphical multi-input interface to load, view, interact with and post documents to remote and local HTTP servers ("web-browsing") on any personal computing device. I want web-browsing to have out of the box default security and privacy guardrails that are well documented can be disabled or modified by…

There is SerenityOS and their Ladybird browser

God bless Andreas Kling but I don't think they have the community support to stand up to the Chromes and IE/Edge of the world unfortunately

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by dartos »

zolbrek wrote: post #12
xrd wrote: post #8

Interesting to see they are offering services that can either be in house or offloaded to another service provider. They are oscillating between building their own search engine versus using Bing. And offering their own internal AI named Leo versus passing information to one of the many cloud provider APIs. For Brave, difficult to claim privacy if they don't do all that in house. But it forces them out of their lane…

Brave has a long, long way to go before they even get close to becoming Google.

Yeah. OPs take is a little weird.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by paulryanrogers »

GnarfGnarf wrote: post #18
omneity wrote: post #3

This doesn’t bode well for Brave’s self professed mission [0]. Maintaining a Chrome fork is already difficult enough on its own, especially with the number of directions where Brave wants to diverge. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36893654

I wish Brave/YouTube weren't such a dismal experience on Chromebook. You can't click on the red bar to jump ahead. You can't pause/restart by pressing the space bar. The navigation is awkward and crippled. Same for Firefox. I guess they're all using the same engine. The only decent browser is Chrome, and the ad blockers don't work anymore.

Does Chrome OS allow 3P browsers now? I thought the point was it was all just Chrome? (Unless one bypasses the default restrictions.)

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by sirwhinesalot »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #19

I'm going to treat this like a product engineering discussion User Story: As a Private Citizen and Engineer, I want a graphical multi-input interface to load, view, interact with and post documents to remote and local HTTP servers ("web-browsing") on any personal computing device. I want web-browsing to have out of the box default security and privacy guardrails that are well documented can be disabled or modified by…

> Why aren't we collectively putting our time/effort etc.. into making Firefox the singular and best FOSS browser ever?

Because the leadership is hellbent on copying Chrome but worse and investing in utterly pointless endeavors instead of making a good browser. It's a shame. Giving money to the Mozilla Foundation is the same as throwing it to a black hole.

I hope a new truly FOSS browser shows up and catches on that does not use Blink and isn't owned by a group of human-shaped leeches.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by kasey_junk »

thallium205 wrote: post #13
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #2

Meanwhile, the US added 336,000 jobs in September, more than double the estimates. https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-job-growth-beats-expec...

Full time jobs decreased, part time jobs increased. They added those together and declared a net positive job growth.

No: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t08.htm

Full time jobs not only didn’t decrease, they increased more than part time jobs in actual terms.

Part time jobs for economic reasons decreased while part time jobs for non economic reasons went up slightly.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by VancouverMan »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #2

Meanwhile, the US added 336,000 jobs in September, more than double the estimates. https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-job-growth-beats-expec...

> Government employment increased by 73,000 jobs, driven by state government education and local government, excluding education.

That part should raise serious questions about the validity of this metric.

Any taxpayer-funded or debt-funded government "job" is not a creator of real (in the economic sense) wealth.

Rather, such government "jobs" merely siphon off and consume real wealth generated by actually-productive market participants, and then permanently destroy that wealth.

Even worse, the process of destroying of that real wealth is often done in a way that then impedes the productivity of the real wealth creators, introducing a secondary and longer-lasting real economic loss.

Each government "job" added should be seen as a significant net loss to the overall economy.

Those government "jobs" are in effect just destroying the real output of some number of private sector jobs.

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Post by jacooper »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #19

I'm going to treat this like a product engineering discussion User Story: As a Private Citizen and Engineer, I want a graphical multi-input interface to load, view, interact with and post documents to remote and local HTTP servers ("web-browsing") on any personal computing device. I want web-browsing to have out of the box default security and privacy guardrails that are well documented can be disabled or modified by…

Brave is fully open source, and actually defends its users privacy by default.

While firefox still uses google, allows google ads and tracking, and just talks about doing something but does nothing

Also chromium is just a superior engine, in security and speed, using firefox won't change Chromium dominance at all.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by Etheryte »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #19

I'm going to treat this like a product engineering discussion User Story: As a Private Citizen and Engineer, I want a graphical multi-input interface to load, view, interact with and post documents to remote and local HTTP servers ("web-browsing") on any personal computing device. I want web-browsing to have out of the box default security and privacy guardrails that are well documented can be disabled or modified by…

I think for a lot of people Firefox does tick those boxes, but the way Mozilla has been run is... less than ideal. I'm sure many commenters here will have strong opinions about it, personally I'm not convinced that modern Mozilla is the right organization to pour this time and effort into.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by agumonkey »

icegreentea2 wrote: post #10
omneity wrote: post #3

This doesn’t bode well for Brave’s self professed mission [0]. Maintaining a Chrome fork is already difficult enough on its own, especially with the number of directions where Brave wants to diverge. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36893654

No, it doesn't bode well =(. To be honest, I wonder if the webbrowser 'market' has been fundamentally broken ever since the Netscape days. Effectively ever since IE broke Netscape's back, every single major web browser has been funded either off the back of other business units (IE, Chrome, Safari), or funded by search engine deals. No customer has actually had to really contemplate 'what is the value of a browser' i…

Interesting, it would be fun to give an estimate based on firefox browser team size and other contributors
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