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Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by atdrummond »

icegreentea2 wrote: post #10
omneity wrote: post #3

This doesn’t bode well for Brave’s self professed mission [0]. Maintaining a Chrome fork is already difficult enough on its own, especially with the number of directions where Brave wants to diverge. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36893654

No, it doesn't bode well =(. To be honest, I wonder if the webbrowser 'market' has been fundamentally broken ever since the Netscape days. Effectively ever since IE broke Netscape's back, every single major web browser has been funded either off the back of other business units (IE, Chrome, Safari), or funded by search engine deals. No customer has actually had to really contemplate 'what is the value of a browser' i…

Opera did have a business model that worked monetizing the browser itself through sales - until smartphones fully supplanted feature phones.

Re: Brave layoffs

#12

Post by zolbrek »

xrd wrote: post #8

Interesting to see they are offering services that can either be in house or offloaded to another service provider. They are oscillating between building their own search engine versus using Bing. And offering their own internal AI named Leo versus passing information to one of the many cloud provider APIs. For Brave, difficult to claim privacy if they don't do all that in house. But it forces them out of their lane…

Brave has a long, long way to go before they even get close to becoming Google.

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#13

Post by thallium205 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #2

Meanwhile, the US added 336,000 jobs in September, more than double the estimates. https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-job-growth-beats-expec...

Full time jobs decreased, part time jobs increased. They added those together and declared a net positive job growth.

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Post by gboone »

rightbyte wrote: post #9
DragonStrength wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article discusses the sectors for most of those jobs, which is hospitality. The sorts of jobs most people who visit this site are seeking remain in decline. IT unemployment is about double the rate of overall unemployment currently.

> IT unemployment is about double the rate of overall unemployment currently. Really? Sounds bad. Is that official stats?

This suggests the range is much tighter than double, while also showing hospitality as the industry with the highest rate of unemployment. As of Sep 7.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/217787/unemployment-rate...

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Post by mberning »

DragonStrength wrote: post #4
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #2

Meanwhile, the US added 336,000 jobs in September, more than double the estimates. https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-job-growth-beats-expec...

The article discusses the sectors for most of those jobs, which is hospitality. The sorts of jobs most people who visit this site are seeking remain in decline. IT unemployment is about double the rate of overall unemployment currently.

The top line numbers are so cooked. We are losing full time jobs in well paying sectors and adding part time jobs in hospitality. That’s not the big win that it seems. Just yesterday El-Erian wrote a column casting doubt on the soft landing which people have been desperately trying to manifest. What a joke.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by Timon3 »

atdrummond wrote: post #11
icegreentea2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it doesn't bode well =(. To be honest, I wonder if the webbrowser 'market' has been fundamentally broken ever since the Netscape days. Effectively ever since IE broke Netscape's back, every single major web browser has been funded either off the back of other business units (IE, Chrome, Safari), or funded by search engine deals. No customer has actually had to really contemplate 'what is the value of a browser' i…

Opera did have a business model that worked monetizing the browser itself through sales - until smartphones fully supplanted feature phones.

That's not quite the full story. Since 2000 Opera showed ads if you didn't pay for it, and they removed those in 2005, a good bit before smartphones really started.

In a way they were ahead of the curve, considering how popular ad-based models with optional removal purchases are these days.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by MelatoninGreat »

Feh. Of course this is happening. Who's hiring experienced product leads outside the US anyway?

The job market, especially outside of the US, is dead for experienced product leads, and the culture and other factors outside the US can't be changed so easily. I know at least five people now, from the EU, who are struggling hard landing product leadership roles internationally.

With all these tech companies tightening budgets and laying off staff, hiring has slowed across the board. I mean I guess for sure there's still desire for senior PM talent, but the roles are 100% more scattered.

I only know a bunch of people in the EU and don't really have a global picture so how's the product job landscape globally? What regions or companies still have healthy hiring pipelines? Is it mainly US-based companies recruiting abroad or are there other non-US tech scenes continuing to grow? I mean, there must be, but nothing compared to the US.

Maybe the AI takeover should come as soon as possible after all.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by GnarfGnarf »

omneity wrote: post #3

This doesn’t bode well for Brave’s self professed mission [0]. Maintaining a Chrome fork is already difficult enough on its own, especially with the number of directions where Brave wants to diverge. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36893654

I wish Brave/YouTube weren't such a dismal experience on Chromebook. You can't click on the red bar to jump ahead. You can't pause/restart by pressing the space bar. The navigation is awkward and crippled. Same for Firefox. I guess they're all using the same engine.

The only decent browser is Chrome, and the ad blockers don't work anymore.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

I'm going to treat this like a product engineering discussion

User Story:

As a Private Citizen and Engineer, I want a graphical multi-input interface to load, view, interact with and post documents to remote and local HTTP servers ("web-browsing") on any personal computing device. I want web-browsing to have out of the box default security and privacy guardrails that are well documented can be disabled or modified by me the user and only me the user. I want this software to be fully modifiable by any person using tools that are easily, freely available and accessible (aka FOSS). I want this capability to be free at the time of use with no restrictions on amount scope or scale of use.

I think the above describes the product that everyone wants

It sure sounds a lot like Firefox to me

Why aren't we collectively putting our time/effort etc.. into making Firefox the singular and best FOSS browser ever?

edit: Oh I didn't realize that Brave totally abandoned their model and started taking Venture from RGA and Page One in 2019. Game has been over since then at least: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/brave-software/compa...

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by ushakov »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #19

I'm going to treat this like a product engineering discussion User Story: As a Private Citizen and Engineer, I want a graphical multi-input interface to load, view, interact with and post documents to remote and local HTTP servers ("web-browsing") on any personal computing device. I want web-browsing to have out of the box default security and privacy guardrails that are well documented can be disabled or modified by…

There is SerenityOS and their Ladybird browser
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