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Clearview AI: secretive company that might end privacy as we know it (2020)

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Re: Clearview AI: secretive company that might end privacy as we know it (2020)

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Post by barrysteve »

areoform wrote: post #45

I once got into a shouting match with one of the founders of this company. In the middle of the argument, he said to me, quote, “you civil libertarian/liberty types are going to lose." During the same conversation, he also implied that people who cared about liberty and privacy were dinosaurs. And companies like his were Chicxulub impactor. I hope that in a few years, I can confidently say that he's wrong.

He's not wrong.

It doesn't matter, when liberty goes, so will the lifeblood of technological change.

The company founder types are building their own mausoleum.

When this is all said and done, the matrix, star trek, ect will only be populated by those guys. The rest of us will be happy and free from it, with real resources and real likes.

Re: Clearview AI: secretive company that might end privacy as we know it (2020)

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Post by halfcat »

barrysteve wrote: post #38
isoprophlex wrote: post #9

Clearly the countermove is to train an image generator on your face and flood the internet with fake data. Have your face appear tagged in weird remote places, with several made up names, on statues, in ancient manuscripts. Pretend to be dead, pretend to be a medieval monk, a war hero from the 1940s, a fictional character. Poison those ratty algorithm with nonsense and hide within the noise.

In the long run, the only option is to privatize knowledge entirely. Machines don't care what numbers they run, cpus and users should be blind to the meaning of app code. .exe's should be absolute black boxes by default. When we have the techniques to privatize knowledge from machines, the desire for privatized faces and biometrics, will rise. The entire premise for biometric tracking is that mental locks don't work…

The theory of what’s possible seems less important here than the practical reality of what the lowest common denominator is capable of, and what they will choose out of convenience.

The average person, or even the average developer, isn’t going to use homomorphic encryption or be on point with their opsec.

Re: Clearview AI: secretive company that might end privacy as we know it (2020)

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

isoprophlex wrote: post #9

Clearly the countermove is to train an image generator on your face and flood the internet with fake data. Have your face appear tagged in weird remote places, with several made up names, on statues, in ancient manuscripts. Pretend to be dead, pretend to be a medieval monk, a war hero from the 1940s, a fictional character. Poison those ratty algorithm with nonsense and hide within the noise.

I barely have time to get the laundry done and supposed to do this?

Re: Clearview AI: secretive company that might end privacy as we know it (2020)

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Post by FFP999 »

areoform wrote: post #45

I once got into a shouting match with one of the founders of this company. In the middle of the argument, he said to me, quote, “you civil libertarian/liberty types are going to lose." During the same conversation, he also implied that people who cared about liberty and privacy were dinosaurs. And companies like his were Chicxulub impactor. I hope that in a few years, I can confidently say that he's wrong.

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Re: Clearview AI: secretive company that might end privacy as we know it (2020)

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Post by slackfan »

robbywashere_ wrote: post #44

If only there was a body of democratically elected leaders who could help enact policies and laws for this sort of thing. In the interest of the majority of the citizen class

If only that body didn't delegate all of their work to unelected officials and basically sit there and collect a paycheck.....

Re: Clearview AI: secretive company that might end privacy as we know it (2020)

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Post by slackfan »

croes wrote: post #21
c7b wrote: post #5

Pretty sure that pretty much all of their business practices are GDPR violations. So we do have a choice - we could either end privacy, or have legislation that ends a potentially profitable startup.

The answer is pretty simple: Privacy matters more. There are millions of ways for profit but you only have one privacy.

Privacy doesn't matter and GDPR is not a solution.

Re: Clearview AI: secretive company that might end privacy as we know it (2020)

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

slackfan wrote: post #59
croes wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer is pretty simple: Privacy matters more. There are millions of ways for profit but you only have one privacy.

Privacy doesn't matter and GDPR is not a solution.

Your privacy may not matter to you. For most of us here, though, our privacy matters to us. So "privacy doesn't matter" seems like a rather incorrect generalization.
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