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The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Horrendous, but the nice side effect... the more China, Russia, and other totalitarian states double down on these efforts, the easier it is to argue against them in the West.

So what is the real totalitarian difference of Zhima from, say, Equifax or Experian?

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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“We” system will be useful not only for banks, but also for governors, for whom it will be able to classify citizens according to their usefulness to the state. When you reach the obsolete status then what? Also this applies to public authorities? https://youtu.be/zGZqnc6_5To?si=BsHSPxDB0-NYp-Rs

> When you reach the obsolete status then what? You either go to re-education camp or are able to obtain a passport, depending on many factors. However, if you do obtain a passport, then the regime's days are numbered.

This feels just like just another AI history, but I will imagine that is a real history

> When you reach the obsolete status then what?

... Then, cannon meat. The same as currently. Prison holidays program to visit Syria

Russia is actively looking for more soldiers and this system would be very useful in a few years to order the next meat wave (and most of all to justify it to the public eye).

Then the system will meet systemic corruption making it useless. The game will be ringed, and the mobster will buy extra points of honesty for his rapist son, while the teacher and the peasant, unable to pay in dollars, will be sent to a job of testing landmine triggers by a special selector robot.

Russian people are being pressure-cooked very slowly but surely until they realize, too late, that they will not be spared. Not even with their decent, but not exceptional social score. The new national animal of Russia is not the bear anymore, is the boiled frog

In any case, the history seems (very) fake

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Meanwhile GB is trying to make e2ee illegal (they stopped for now but were pretty close). Let's not pretend west can't implement social score

Let's not forget about EU's ChatControl. They even chose a dystopian name for it and were completely fine with that...

We're not completely fine with that, it's just that there's literally nothing we can do to stop it as the EU is not a democracy in any real way.

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Let's not forget about EU's ChatControl. They even chose a dystopian name for it and were completely fine with that...

We're not completely fine with that, it's just that there's literally nothing we can do to stop it as the EU is not a democracy in any real way.

I meant the EU people, not the citizens (which I am too). Autocorrect added the apostrophe.

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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I suspect the article was written by AI: >Of course, the platform represents an interesting experiment that can lead to new approaches to assessing the social status and standard of living of citizens. However, it is necessary to ensure transparency, data protection and a balance between individual rights and state interests

These rumors are also circulating in Russia: https://habr-com.translate.goog/ru/news/765866/?_x_tr_sl=aut... Here's what AI can do with this article: https://www.phind.com/search?cache=o2wo1bog0dfjwj49vwhhgqgv However, I wouldn't be surprised if this development is true, given that Russia is currently a totalitarian state. It is one of three countries that kills North Koreans who flee their country (along with North…

>It is one of three countries that kills North Koreans who flee their country

Source? I only heard about sending them back.

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Horrendous, but the nice side effect... the more China, Russia, and other totalitarian states double down on these efforts, the easier it is to argue against them in the West.

There’s a chance something like this ends up happening in the West as well. Could be watered down in some way. It only takes a couple more columns in the database of a credit scoring system to start looking at other factors. These systems being deployed in countries such as China and Russia gives the rest of the world a peek into how it works, and a chance to understand how to best resist totalitarian tendencies. Unf…

Credit scoring systems are private stuff used by private companies, not run by the government and not used to evaluate anything with regards to the government. There's no way an additional column in a credit scoring DB would forbid you from attending a school, moving to a city, etc.

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a chance something like this ends up happening in the West as well. Could be watered down in some way. It only takes a couple more columns in the database of a credit scoring system to start looking at other factors. These systems being deployed in countries such as China and Russia gives the rest of the world a peek into how it works, and a chance to understand how to best resist totalitarian tendencies. Unf…

Credit scoring systems are private stuff used by private companies, not run by the government and not used to evaluate anything with regards to the government. There's no way an additional column in a credit scoring DB would forbid you from attending a school, moving to a city, etc.

Let me introduce you to SCHUFA[0], a credit scoring system in Germany. It has livelihood implications that make it very hard to live without a good score. Good luck finding a flat with a bad one.

It doesn't blur the line between private and public but again, it's a slippery slope. The tracking and scoring infrastructure is there, it just takes will to steer it to another direction.

[0]: https://allaboutberlin.com/glossary/Schufa

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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If you feel need to argue you are not winning

If you are winning without arguing you are not in democracy

Cut the bull. The political systems of the West claim to be superior in how we treat our own citizens and it is generally true. There is no need to argue about that between ourselves. As for the world where each country is an individual citizen - it is not a democracy. The only rule is: might is right except when some country might feel that bad PR is not good at this particular moment.

We are however degrading and I care very much about what is happening here right where I live rather than twisting some other country's hands into "democracy" by way of sanctions, bombing etc.

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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These rumors are also circulating in Russia: https://habr-com.translate.goog/ru/news/765866/?_x_tr_sl=aut... Here's what AI can do with this article: https://www.phind.com/search?cache=o2wo1bog0dfjwj49vwhhgqgv However, I wouldn't be surprised if this development is true, given that Russia is currently a totalitarian state. It is one of three countries that kills North Koreans who flee their country (along with North…

>It is one of three countries that kills North Koreans who flee their country Source? I only heard about sending them back.

Which amounts too...

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Let's not forget about EU's ChatControl. They even chose a dystopian name for it and were completely fine with that...

We're not completely fine with that, it's just that there's literally nothing we can do to stop it as the EU is not a democracy in any real way.

EU is as democratic as your average EU country.

Or have you skipped voting in the EU elections?

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