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Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

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Post by JohnFen »

b112 wrote: post #24
dangus wrote: post #2

Is this even legal according to FTC guidelines? I thought ads had to be clearly marked in digital content. Either way, whatever. X is dying. I think the mainstream assumes “it’ll never happen, it’s too big to fail.” But it’s not. X really is shrinking and dying. It won’t die this year or next but it’s following in the steps of MySpace, perhaps more slowly. But it’s happening.

There are people who use twitter, who have no idea it changed ownership. Who barely know who Elon is. Twitter may be dying for hackernews, but is it alive for other communities?

> Twitter may be dying for hackernews, but is it alive for other communities?

Probably depends on the community. The non-tech people I know have almost entirely abandoned Twitter. Those who still use it use it far less than they used to.

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

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Post by FireBeyond »

reaperman wrote: post #60
threeseed wrote: post #14

Pretty sure the company is going to be sold to a private equity firm once it reaches $1b in valuation. There's just no way Musk is going to want to stick around the way things are trending. Premium tiers are not going to come close to replacing the lost revenue to declining ad spend. Especially when it's in a death spiral with increasingly spammier ads causing a flight of higher quality advertisers. And there isn't t…

> once it reaches $1b in valuation Uhm - Musk paid $44 billion for Twitter. Obviously it's not worth >=$44B currently but it's also obviously still worth more than $1B. Edit: Some people seem to be thinking I'm arguing it's worth >$10B -- I am not. I'm only arguing that it's absolutely worth more than $1B. There are plenty of sources in the past 6 months which have valued it between $3.7B and $8B. There are absolutel…

Not much more, though. Banks trying to offload their Twitter debts were only getting offers that valued the company at less than $8B.

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

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Post by infamouscow »

AlexandrB wrote: post #78
infamouscow wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Legacy media", give me a fucking break. Since there's no rebuttal in your reply, consider this a break :) Analog radio, newspapers, and television were already in a managed decline before the 2016 election. The events that unfolded forestalled the inevitable a bit longer, but the music is about to end for these propagandists masquerading as reporters. Trust in legacy media is at a record low.

I think there's a lot to critique about traditional media, but their ethical standards are head and shoulders above random posters and grifters on social media. If traditional media is a cesspool, social media is a sewer. Edit: If you want a concrete example, look at how rampant plagiarism is on social media/Youtube[1]. Traditional media journalists regularly got fired [2] for doing shit like this. [1] https://www.yo…

How many people were fired from the NYT for reporting about Iraq having WMD?

How many competitors to the NYT reported there were no WMD and why were they all smeared and discredited?

The fact that some information might be plagiarized is hardly of any consequence compared to the million or so people that died because of the legacy media reported Saddam had WMDs.

When the institutions completely fail to get all of the most important things right (and in fact, almost completely wrong) it's only natural to turn elsewhere.

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

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Post by FireBeyond »

welon wrote: post #63
artursapek wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like doxing peoples’ location is not acceptable free speech online, just in general

Such info is published by law; public has a right to track potential debris that may rain down on it given malfeasance or technical failures Elon is free to not own private jets What’s with coddling a minority that does not care we exist?

And all his mealy mouthed claims about anonymity are laughable. The jet's registered owner is a company with a very Space-y name, whose address is "1 Space Drive" an address which if you put into Google will say "Businesses associated with this address: Tesla, SpaceX, The Boring Company".

Security through obscurity, it ain't.

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

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Post by dragonwriter »

reaperman wrote: post #60
threeseed wrote: post #14

Pretty sure the company is going to be sold to a private equity firm once it reaches $1b in valuation. There's just no way Musk is going to want to stick around the way things are trending. Premium tiers are not going to come close to replacing the lost revenue to declining ad spend. Especially when it's in a death spiral with increasingly spammier ads causing a flight of higher quality advertisers. And there isn't t…

> once it reaches $1b in valuation Uhm - Musk paid $44 billion for Twitter. Obviously it's not worth >=$44B currently but it's also obviously still worth more than $1B. Edit: Some people seem to be thinking I'm arguing it's worth >$10B -- I am not. I'm only arguing that it's absolutely worth more than $1B. There are plenty of sources in the past 6 months which have valued it between $3.7B and $8B. There are absolutel…

> Uhm - Musk paid $44 billion for Twitter.

Yeah, but he overpaid, and that is only about the value pre-deal, and not:

(1) the adverse effect the news of the deal had on Twitter even before it was consummated, and

(2) The adverse effect his tenure has had on Twitter’s value since.

Is it now worth more than $1 billion? My guess is yes.

Is it worth more thsn $10 billion? Probably not.

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

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Post by FireBeyond »

infamouscow wrote: post #30
kayodelycaon wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon Musk doesn't seem to be someone who cares about legality.

Tesla, SpaceX, and the Boring company are all extremely interconnected with government policy and goals. This is quite a claim to make.

And yet, to pick on one alone, SpaceX has been smacked how many times now for EPA, FAA, and other regulatory agency violations?

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

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Post by rsynnott »

Tepix wrote: post #11
dangus wrote: post #2

Is this even legal according to FTC guidelines? I thought ads had to be clearly marked in digital content. Either way, whatever. X is dying. I think the mainstream assumes “it’ll never happen, it’s too big to fail.” But it’s not. X really is shrinking and dying. It won’t die this year or next but it’s following in the steps of MySpace, perhaps more slowly. But it’s happening.

Of all the changes made to X, the one that places responses by paying members first is what ruins it for me. Those responses are usually pulpy.

I’m stunned no-one was able to talk him out of that one. “Pay-for-attention” is an _awful_ mechanic; even dating/hookup apps, who to some extent depend on it, generally have to ration it; you can’t just pay to be at the top of the grid/stack of cards all the time.

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

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Post by rsynnott »

b112 wrote: post #24
dangus wrote: post #2

Is this even legal according to FTC guidelines? I thought ads had to be clearly marked in digital content. Either way, whatever. X is dying. I think the mainstream assumes “it’ll never happen, it’s too big to fail.” But it’s not. X really is shrinking and dying. It won’t die this year or next but it’s following in the steps of MySpace, perhaps more slowly. But it’s happening.

There are people who use twitter, who have no idea it changed ownership. Who barely know who Elon is. Twitter may be dying for hackernews, but is it alive for other communities?

They presumably know that _something_ has happened to it, though; the identity of the idiot responsible is somewhat beside the point. Like, no regular user could possibly not have noticed the changes to it over the past year.

There’s a restaurant near me which I used to like, but which has gone downhill over the last couple of years. I don’t know or particularly care who owns it, but I don’t go here anymore.

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

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Post by yibg »

lhnz wrote: post #64
threeseed wrote: post #14

Pretty sure the company is going to be sold to a private equity firm once it reaches $1b in valuation. There's just no way Musk is going to want to stick around the way things are trending. Premium tiers are not going to come close to replacing the lost revenue to declining ad spend. Especially when it's in a death spiral with increasingly spammier ads causing a flight of higher quality advertisers. And there isn't t…

Despite continuously making very unpopular moves, I can't see how Twitter loses its users. In fact, I think it will exist long after usage on Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and TikTok falters -- because, it is less replaceable and less age-demographic dependent. I also think that advertisers will return when budgets increase again. There aren't that many other good options. In the long term, I think it goes nowhere an…

Doesn’t really matter if the users are there if the revenue isn’t. Revenue seems to be the struggle at the moment.
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