Live data from Hacker News

X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

mashable.com

71–80 of 133 posts

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

#71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He claimed to dislike virtually all censorship. A "free speech absolutist" ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1499976967105433600 ). That was rapidly shown not to be the case when @ElonJet got snuffed out.

I feel like doxing peoples’ location is not acceptable free speech online, just in general

He wasn’t using anything not available to the public. I wouldn’t consider this doxxing by any stretch.

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

#72
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt he ever sells. He made the purchase because of his ego. As long as he still owns it, he can pretend that there is some future in which the company has value. Selling it for $1b locks in the valuation and confirms the deal was a huge mistake. I don't think he needs that $1b enough for him to be willing to take that hit to his ego.

Unless he's willing to continue covering the interest payments on the loans indefinitely, it may not be his decision to make. The interest payments to the banks on the loans will continue to come due. I doubt Twitter is pulling in anywhere near enough revenue to satisfy those loans. The decision to sell it may not be his.

I'm not saying he'll do this, but theoretically he could just pay them out of pocket. The banks only hold around $13B in Twitter debt and Musk owns ~$170B of tesla stock with around 42% of that available for him to access immediately (the other 58% is pledged to secure personal loans).

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He claimed to dislike virtually all censorship. A "free speech absolutist" ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1499976967105433600 ). That was rapidly shown not to be the case when @ElonJet got snuffed out.

I feel like doxing peoples’ location is not acceptable free speech online, just in general

> His program uses public data sources including the Federal Aviation Administration, OpenSky Network, and Automatic Dependent Surveillance–Broadcast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sweeney#Creation_of_fligh...

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

#75
post #34
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The censorship never went away. It just switched from being at one owner's whim to being at a different owner's whim. Closed platforms are not and can never be "free speech zones." They answer to their owners, period.

What sort of topics are currently being censored? I haven't seen examples of things being suppressed, but that's also why I'm asking; because I wouldn't have seen things that got suppressed.

Erdoğan opposants accounts and tweets were blocked/suppressed a few weeks before the election (its mostly good now, most accounts are unbanned since the election is over).

Also, crimethInc ban will soon have its birthday (https://fr.crimethinc.com/2022/11/25/elon-musk-bans-crimethi...)

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

#76

Pretty sure the company is going to be sold to a private equity firm once it reaches $1b in valuation. There's just no way Musk is going to want to stick around the way things are trending. Premium tiers are not going to come close to replacing the lost revenue to declining ad spend. Especially when it's in a death spiral with increasingly spammier ads causing a flight of higher quality advertisers. And there isn't t…

> once it reaches $1b in valuation Uhm - Musk paid $44 billion for Twitter. Obviously it's not worth >=$44B currently but it's also obviously still worth more than $1B. Edit: Some people seem to be thinking I'm arguing it's worth >$10B -- I am not. I'm only arguing that it's absolutely worth more than $1B. There are plenty of sources in the past 6 months which have valued it between $3.7B and $8B. There are absolutel…

You can pay $44B for a sample of my poop, but if you can't find anyone to sell it to later, it's worth $0.

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and the censorship he disliked may return. Banning Nazis is not censorship, it's basic hygiene.

Pre-elon twitter banned some nazis, sometimes, there were still plenty of them around. It also banned a-lot of normal people who were questioning official narratives, people who just so happened to get report-bombed, people who were joking around with eachother about innocuous things that weren't against the ToS, people who governments wanted banned, etc etc. All of that has gotten much better, and appeals are approv…

To address one portion of what you wrote: no, I do not want Nazis and other bigots spreading cleartext hate online and radicalizing angsty teens. If that shit were shoved further into the margins I think we'd have fewer people showing up at pizza parlors with rifles.

Instead, we have racists who went antiquing for Nazi propaganda and dusted off the old classic "elite pedophiles who run international politics are trafficking children and drinking their blood." Something actual elected officials have been able to engage with and not lose significant support.

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Legacy media", give me a fucking break.

> "Legacy media", give me a fucking break. Since there's no rebuttal in your reply, consider this a break :) Analog radio, newspapers, and television were already in a managed decline before the 2016 election. The events that unfolded forestalled the inevitable a bit longer, but the music is about to end for these propagandists masquerading as reporters. Trust in legacy media is at a record low.

I think there's a lot to critique about traditional media, but their ethical standards are head and shoulders above random posters and grifters on social media. If traditional media is a cesspool, social media is a sewer.

Edit: If you want a concrete example, look at how rampant plagiarism is on social media/Youtube[1]. Traditional media journalists regularly got fired[2] for doing shit like this.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDtJ7bte_zg

[2] https://news.yahoo.com/cnn-news-editor-fired-plagiarism-1450...

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

#79

Pretty sure the company is going to be sold to a private equity firm once it reaches $1b in valuation. There's just no way Musk is going to want to stick around the way things are trending. Premium tiers are not going to come close to replacing the lost revenue to declining ad spend. Especially when it's in a death spiral with increasingly spammier ads causing a flight of higher quality advertisers. And there isn't t…

> once it reaches $1b in valuation Uhm - Musk paid $44 billion for Twitter. Obviously it's not worth >=$44B currently but it's also obviously still worth more than $1B. Edit: Some people seem to be thinking I'm arguing it's worth >$10B -- I am not. I'm only arguing that it's absolutely worth more than $1B. There are plenty of sources in the past 6 months which have valued it between $3.7B and $8B. There are absolutel…

I will definitely contact you any time I have a company up for sale.

Re: X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

#80
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless he's willing to continue covering the interest payments on the loans indefinitely, it may not be his decision to make. The interest payments to the banks on the loans will continue to come due. I doubt Twitter is pulling in anywhere near enough revenue to satisfy those loans. The decision to sell it may not be his.

I'm not saying he'll do this, but theoretically he could just pay them out of pocket. The banks only hold around $13B in Twitter debt and Musk owns ~$170B of tesla stock with around 42% of that available for him to access immediately (the other 58% is pledged to secure personal loans).

Exactly. It will get gradually more expensive, but I don't buy the idea that one of the richest people on the planet will be unable to find anyone to lend him money. That is especially true for Musk who has shown a willingness to deal with anyone with money including people that have questionable ethics and morals.
Post reply on HN