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Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by m-p-e »

sibit wrote: post #770
jaza wrote: post #479

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I'm using a Pixel 3 (my first Pixel) that I bought new (in original sealed box) on eBay one year ago, for a bit under AUD$300, still works fine, all the apps keep upgrading (the OS won't upgrade as it's EOL, hasn't been an issue for me so far), the camera AI is impressive enough for me, I'm planning to keep on using it for at least another year. That's as close as I get to having a bleeding edge smartphone. No need t…

The Pixel 3 is a good phone. I bought one new and used it for ~5 years. The battery was still going strong and my only issue was the USB-C port stopped working.

For my Pixel it always helped to clean the USB-C port with a toothpick. That thing attracted so much lint from pocket like no other.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by kashyapc »

kimbernator wrote: post #178

It's starting to feel silly, having a yearly release cycle for smartphones. So much of this product page is focused on new software functions that may have some vague relationship with the slightly upgraded hardware, but that could mostly be released to existing phones. Every new iPhone, Pixel, or Samsung phone basically claims the camera is marginally better and hey, look at these software features that have very li…

Isn't it the same story with every other "smart" device these days? Headphones, smart watches, etc? A new release almost every couple of years, causing a deluge of waste. That's our "growth at all costs" society.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by berkes »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #490
muxxa wrote: post #381

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Try out https://shop.fairphone.com/fairphone-5 for a repair/upgrade friendly alternative

It’s still a “fancy” or too niche a phone. It neither has the reach, nor the supply chain backbone. By the time it reaches critical operational/business mass phone landscape would have had changed. Just like it’ll happen with frame.work.

You'll really need to come with some backup of your claims.

Because it simply isn't true. FP has been around for 10 years now, making phones, learning, scaling up. They sold close to a million phones every year since 2020 (last year over 1100000 phones). And while a million phones isn't much compared to iPhones or Pixels, it's bigger than many other small phone companies (Chinese or not). They've been diversifying with headphones, and earbuds. And with t he last edition, they finally felt confident with supply chains to guarantee spare parts for decades to come.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by Xeamek »

sprkv5 wrote: post #840
Xeamek wrote: post #201

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How do pixels set the standard any differenty then samsungs?

They do in many ways. Pixels have clean focused software that are excellent at what they do - it makes you want them. Also they dont include bloatware unlike Samsung. 1. Pixel Camera taught Samsungs and iPhones about computational photography pipelines and Night Sight, 2. Recorder, 3. Photos + various editing features (Top Shot / Best take / Magic Eraser), 4. Phone + various features (Call Screening(US) / Hold for Me…

That's all cool, but those aren't Android apps (at least most of them). Those are closed source, full of telemetry and unnecessary integration google apps.

Question wasn't about if google apps are better, but how pixels contribute to the growth of AOSP differently then vendors like samsung.

Just because google sponsor AOSP, doesn't mean that any proprietary app they make (which is all of them btw) count as AOSP contribution. AOSP and Pixel are 2 separete things.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by kkielhofner »

kernal wrote: post #841
kkielhofner wrote: post #339

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Finally. The planned obsolescence conversation seems to revolve around Apple (the only self-interested greedy company on the planet according to the detractors) but they hold the record for software updates on smartphones - 10 years for the iPhone 5s. Here we are, in 2023, and Google is coming around to seven years of support. Apple has done at least seven since 2013. In any case I applaud this move and at least five…

>they hold the record for software updates on smartphones - 10 years for the iPhone 5s This is such a disingenuous comment. Claiming that it got 10 years of updates because it received a recent security update is not telling the complete story. It's a phone stuck on iOS 12 and Apple chose to release a recent security fix. The Pixel 8 is going to receive 7 years of OS Updates, 84 months of monthly security updates and…

> The Pixel 8 is going to receive 7 years of OS Updates, 84 months of monthly security updates and quarterly feature drops. This blows the iPhone away.

Now, starting in 2023.

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Post by kkielhofner »

kramerger wrote: post #831
kkielhofner wrote: post #759

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And in every discussion mentioning Android and Apple people see it as some kind of religious debate. I do not care what anyone does or doesn’t use. I have no stake in this and I don’t see it as some kind of argument. That said, I do know this and your reply is based on either a misunderstanding of my point or optimism/enthusiasm for some kind of argument you seem to think we’re having. I’m not talking about the built…

This is not a "religious debate". You are making incorrect assumptions in a discussion and don't like to be corrected. For the record, Android can also update system libraries via the store. The two platforms handle security updates very differently. If you want to get into a debate and criticise the one you are not using, at least try to learn how it works.

> This is not a "religious debate".

For many it absolutely is. It's vi vs emacs on steroids - a bunch of very technical people debating intricacies the general population is either unaware of or doesn't care about.

> You are making incorrect assumptions in a discussion and don't like to be corrected.

Naturally I don't think I am and I get corrected all of the time. It happens. Overall I think what happens in these kinds of discussions is the general tendency for HN users to live in very small technical bubbles, often very far removed from the general population. Generally this is a very good thing and it's one of the reasons we like and appreciate HN.

However, we're a tiny portion of the population. My viewpoint here is an attempt to put on my "Joe average walking down the street" hat. I understand what you are saying, I do understand how it works, but for the vast majority of the market these distinctions don't really matter. There is data all over the place that shows huge portions of the iOS user base running the latest iOS release within days of release. This is a result of the iron-fisted domination and control Apple exerts over its users. Sure, we don't appreciate that but clearly a substantial portion of the market does - and the actual data backs it up.

As I noted, all one needs to do is look at a fragmentation chart representing real world Android vs iOS users/devices to see how this manifests in the real world for the overwhelming majority of the user base of these devices.

At every organization I've been in that develops mobile applications when you talk to the Android team vs the iOS team the Android team is constantly grumbling and running into problems supporting the bewildering array of Android devices, screen sizes, releases, etc. Sure this applies to iOS devices as well but it's a night and day difference. It's actually one of the many reasons iOS tends to be the "lead" platform for new applications - they're early and they just don't want to deal with it yet. You can target and test on a handful of devices and releases and push an iOS app with some confidence it's going to "just work" on the large majority of devices with access to the App Store.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by hmottestad »

kernal wrote: post #841
kkielhofner wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Finally. The planned obsolescence conversation seems to revolve around Apple (the only self-interested greedy company on the planet according to the detractors) but they hold the record for software updates on smartphones - 10 years for the iPhone 5s. Here we are, in 2023, and Google is coming around to seven years of support. Apple has done at least seven since 2013. In any case I applaud this move and at least five…

>they hold the record for software updates on smartphones - 10 years for the iPhone 5s This is such a disingenuous comment. Claiming that it got 10 years of updates because it received a recent security update is not telling the complete story. It's a phone stuck on iOS 12 and Apple chose to release a recent security fix. The Pixel 8 is going to receive 7 years of OS Updates, 84 months of monthly security updates and…

iOS 17 supports 5 year old devices. Those devices will receive updates until iOS 18, so that makes 6 years of OS updates.

I’m very happy that Google wants to compete. Hopefully they will manage to follow through.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by hmottestad »

Kiuhrly1 wrote: post #39

Honestly the most appealing thing for me is the seven years of software support. The Pixel 5 support leaves a lot to be desired, given that I don't even want to upgrade from the hardware. The demo video of their AI photo editor was kind of mind blowing but ultimately not a feature I would use. I've seen a few complaints about their automatic photo processing as well, which you can't disable in the official camera app…

Would have been more impressive if they said “and also, we are making this update available to all devices released in the last 7 years!”

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by ascagnel_ »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #444
vel0city wrote: post #352

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If we're looking at older phones with removable storage, it usually limited what could be put on the SD card. And in the end the OS and system libraries were still on the on-board storage which would wear out over the years. And there's good reason for the OS not being on a microSD card. Run a Raspberry Pi without locking the storage and see how fast it'll corrupt itself. Most SD cards have pretty miserable reliabili…

IDK, I've never had a RPi corrupt an SD card to my knowledge. Also, there are now SD cards optimized for the load patterns similar to that of an OS. There's unfortunately slightly different issue here: if the phone vendor puts the OS on an user-replaceable SD card, then the UX quality and reliability of the device depends on the SD card vendor , which is a bad position to be in, given how much fraud is happening in t…

I've never had an RPi corrupt an SD card, but I had one (running pi-hole) wear out a card over the course of about six months. It was pretty easy to get everything back up and running (it needed a new card with the most recent version of the default OS package), and I was able to resolve the situation long-term by using log2ram to space out writes to the SD card (at the risk of losing a day's worth of logs).
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