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Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by kstrauser »

mattlondon wrote: post #87
dsr_ wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Write your signature. Scan it in. Apply it to documents that want signatures. To some people, this doesn't "feel right" the same way that it doesn't "feel right" that I have rolling star-base office chairs around my dining room table. They are far more comfortable than any "dining room chair" I've ever been in. In both cases, when people don't take my good advice, I shrug and move on.

Ok sure so use a pen or use the printer to write your signature - that doesn't change the need sometimes to go give the doctor/school/solicitor/etc a physical copy . You can keep your "good" advice, but please do move on.

In fairness, that’s different from the print/sign/scan workflow you mentioned first.

I also have a printer for those rare occasions. More commonly, I copy-paste my signature image onto the digital form and send it right back.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by 20after4 »

wly_cdgr wrote: post #23

It's just so low and shabby. How can anyone work for a company that does this and not feel constant shame? Any decent person should and would.

That's the thing, all the decent people (who had a choice) left years ago. All that's left is marketing nitwits, indifferent assholes and people with H1B visas who are largely helpless and trapped.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by dbttdft »

These kinds of bugs are common with all consumer electronics since they "went digital" though, basically anything 1999+. The market is so saturated with blatantly broken products like this that you seem like a freak just to complain about it. Just littered with shit design mainly caused by duct taping components together and letting the outcome of that be the design. The solution is for consumers to get a brain and stop wasting it on overcomplicated nonsense like some autoconfiguration crap based on XML that never works except for someone who so happens to have 5 hours of experience with that protocol. Just return bullshit like this. I always do, I decide to return most of my electronics within 5 minutes of first turning it on.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by strbean »

dbttdft wrote: post #103

These kinds of bugs are common with all consumer electronics since they "went digital" though, basically anything 1999+. The market is so saturated with blatantly broken products like this that you seem like a freak just to complain about it. Just littered with shit design mainly caused by duct taping components together and letting the outcome of that be the design. The solution is for consumers to get a brain and s…

This pattern emerged around the same time as "can't print black when out of colored ink" and "printer cartridge DRM". I'm extremely incredulous that this is a bug rather than intentional.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by jojohohanon »

sacnoradhq wrote: post #2

Even if you only print things once a month, a laser printer is far less wasteful in time, money, and bullshit than ink that's perpetually dry or consumed. Rather than an entry-level laser printer that cannot be economically repaired, a used mid-level enterprise printer is often the cheapest option long term and saves useful electronics from becoming e-waste. Office furniture rental/repo places and secondary markets l…

I swear by the lowest end brother duplexing monochrome laser printer. Mine is the dw2270 which was I’ve praised it here before. It’s the sort of printer that I wonder they stay in business selling because each customer is a customer for life but only buys one item.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by JohnBooty »

esel2k wrote: post #8
bgirard wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I followed this advice and it's been great. I have a $350 laser Brother printer, my iPhone can find the printer without fiddling with drivers, it wakes up, print, goes back to sleep. Works fine even if I go months without printing. After my last 'free ink forever' HP inkjet that never worked, a working printer is a blessing.

Which brother do you have / recommend? I have been quiet happy with my OKI but the phone connection is the only letdown so far and I might change for a brother in the future.

The cheap ones are great too. There are a few models at $150 and under. There are minor differentiators for them like Airprint and double-sided printing.

I bought one a few months ago. Best computer-related thing I've purchased in ages. It JUST WORKS.

As the review says,

    Here’s the best printer in 2023: the Brother laser 
    printer that everyone has. Stop thinking about it 
    and just buy one. It will be fine! [...]

    The Brother whatever-it-is will print return labels 
    for online shopping, never run out of toner, and 
    generally be a printer instead of the physical 
    instantiation of a business model.
https://www.theverge.com/23642073/best-printer-2023-brother-...

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by Retric »

coder543 wrote: post #100
Retric wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By not lasting very long I mean I’ve seen 3 die between 2-3 years of heavy use. I have heard they last longer with moderate use, but that suggests a lifetime page limit. Honestly, I don’t have high quality sources which is why I was interested in the first place.

If you've seen it first hand, then fair enough. It just doesn't agree with the consensus I have seen online, so I find that confusing. As I've said previously, I have the most basic laser printer at home, and rarely use it. I just happen to have done a ton of research into printers lately because I've thought about getting a photo printer, and I really like what the ET-8550 has to offer. But, for the time being, I've…

Cool, I don’t have a large sample size so I could easily be wrong here. Something I just came across is various models have different monthly page expectations for their 2 year of ink promotion:

“Based on average monthly document print volumes of about 150 pages (ST-C2100), 200 pages (ST-C4100), 300 pages (ST-M1000/ST-M3000/ST-C5000/ST-C5500/ST-C8000/ST-C8090) and 750 pages (WF-M5799 Supertank). Promo applies to ink only. Printer covered by Epson 2-year limited warranty.” https://epson.com/supertank-ink-tank-printers-for-business

I don’t remember the model numbers but those where way past 750 pages per month if that’s helpful.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by moberley »

bgirard wrote: post #4
sacnoradhq wrote: post #2

Even if you only print things once a month, a laser printer is far less wasteful in time, money, and bullshit than ink that's perpetually dry or consumed. Rather than an entry-level laser printer that cannot be economically repaired, a used mid-level enterprise printer is often the cheapest option long term and saves useful electronics from becoming e-waste. Office furniture rental/repo places and secondary markets l…

I followed this advice and it's been great. I have a $350 laser Brother printer, my iPhone can find the printer without fiddling with drivers, it wakes up, print, goes back to sleep. Works fine even if I go months without printing. After my last 'free ink forever' HP inkjet that never worked, a working printer is a blessing.

I generally like Brother printers but sometimes the software is less great.

I have a Brother DCP-L2550DW which is very good but for some reason the scan to PC function no longer works over the network. Printing still works as expected in all cases, but ControlCenter4 can't communicate via the network anymore. It works fine if I connect a USB cable so I just do that when I need to scan.

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