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Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

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This type of software is an excellent fit for "eventually open" licenses: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12459492 This way, corporations and business users can pay to get the latest version and features just like commercial software, while the hobbyist community still gets a relative recent and feature-full release they can use for free, has source available and is guaranteed to become fully GPL code in 3-5 yea…

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I want someone to build this: SBOM (Software Bill of Materials) are slowly becoming ubiquitus around the world due to regulation. I want to be able to aggregate all SBOMs within my company, have a small tool that scans my machine and creates a SBOM for all Open Source tools I use (e.g. Firefox, VLC etc.), uploads that to my corporate registry. This data is then submitted to a donation aggregator which analyzes those…

I think the devil is in the details. As others have pointed out, this would drastically change the incentive structure of OSS. You would attract actors whose entire purpose would be to get listed on as many SBOMs as possible to maximize their revenue potential. I'm envisioning a world of `padLeft` controversies. That is to say, I don't think a pure "frequency of use" metric is sufficient to fairly distribute such a p…

Only enumerate and pay for top-level tools and dependencies, none of which are probably padLeft. Those downstream recipients can further "pay it forward" to their top-level dependencies. Everyone has an incentive to not pull in superfluous bullshit so they can hold onto as much of their pitance as possible.

Trickle down economics? Ronald, is that you?

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#203

The problem here to me is that Krita is simply a mess. Krita is supposedly part of the KDE project, which is committed to switching to wayland, but has 0 wayland support. In practice, that means that if you use other input devices they can have bugs that make it unusable. So it's Linux story is weak. A very bad start for a KDE app...but at least maybe on Windows it works well. Well the problem then is it does the cla…

I don't have a huge amount of experience with Krita's Wayland performance because the situation on Wayland is still sub-optimal for art in general. Tablet support has gotten much better, but configuration per-app or tied to the desktop environment still seems to be a big issue. The idea that my tablet configuration might stop working if I switch off of a desktop environment is kind of a non-starter to me. It stinks b…

I'm willing to deal with the Linuxisms of being on Linux (wayland having bad tablet support and controls, I agree with you!) but the fact that on top of that Krita works particularly bad on KDE's default setup, whereas using CSP with Wine is a better experience is absurdity to me.

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

#204

The problem here to me is that Krita is simply a mess. Krita is supposedly part of the KDE project, which is committed to switching to wayland, but has 0 wayland support. In practice, that means that if you use other input devices they can have bugs that make it unusable. So it's Linux story is weak. A very bad start for a KDE app...but at least maybe on Windows it works well. Well the problem then is it does the cla…

Krita has issues with X too. Using X11/libinput touchpad: pinch-to-zoom doesn't work in Krita but does work in KDE's ms paint clone Kolourpaint. I've also found Krita to be unsatisfactory for drawing pixel art. Select the pixel art brush and set it to be 3px wide, then draw a rectangle with the rectangle tool. This creates a rectangle with inexplicably jagged edges ( http://0x0.st/HWyi.jpg ). Turn off sharpness for t…

Same. I'm just using Windows programs now with wine that aren't 100% there, but closer than anything Linux native I have found.

The exception is for pixel art, Aseprite works fine for me.

https://imgur.com/a/88N1QKd

Example of it on Linux with a decent theme.

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

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I genuinely wonder how much that anime waifu logo is costing the project

You don't like Kiki the Cyber Squirrel?

LibreOffice nearly got a Tyson Tan mascot called Libbie the Cyber Oryx. She was silently eliminated from the initial round of votes, in favor of a bunch of half-assed attempts that included two barely modified Duolingo owls. This perceived slight of what had been assumed to be a democratic process caused such a dustup that LibreOffice decided it didn't want a mascot anymore.

https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/11/13/mascot...

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's interesting that Europe has abjectly failed to produce anything like Google or Meta. I'm not sure what the underlying reason for that is. There isn't a singular reason, it's a complex combination. Btw I'd like to preface this to say I'm not sure most Europeans actually want a Google or a Meta, there is aversion to "too big to fail" companies in most sectors. * investment money - VCs bet on tons of stupid thing…

> tons of European startups and scaleups and mittelstands and b2b companies of all sizes that are successful and innovative. They're just not "infinite growth" global behemots If their business has no economies of scale, no. If it does, they won’t survive without subsidies. At a certain point, subsidising a low-scale domestic replica of an efficient international option breaks due to (a) the internet and consumer cho…

I would argue that many of the big tech companies have also been subsidised rather than being efficient. It has just been private investors rather than governments (and it feels like we are starting to see the end of that).

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

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That's just sad. Open Source support really needs to be normalized in corporate environment. Now it's more of an exception than the rule.

In a corporate setting, it will help if open source software has easy deployment configurations to track usage and ensure vulnerable versions are not lurking somewhere. Firefox for instance has this.

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Why does it say "5 developers $ 17k / month"? Is that 1 developer of $17k / month? (So a $204k annual salary?) Or, does it mean 5 developers for $17k / month (i.e. a $40k annual salary?) If it's the latter, I'm highly concerned. Even in countries like India salaries like $60k USD (INR 50 lakh) has become a bare minimum for software engineers who are even the least bit talented... For a really good software developer…

Many open source projects have people working for free and spending a lot of time on that. Even really low wages may enable more people to do this. I spend a lot of time on developing StreetComplete, got paid only for small part of that. And I would be able to spend more time on that and willing even with relatively small funds. I think that many people would be willing to take significant pay cut to work on project…

> And I would be able to spend more time on that and willing even with relatively small funds.

> I think that many people would be willing to take significant pay cut to work on project chosen by them.

I definitely agree with this sentiment; I can relate to it strongly.

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

#209

Why does it say "5 developers $ 17k / month"? Is that 1 developer of $17k / month? (So a $204k annual salary?) Or, does it mean 5 developers for $17k / month (i.e. a $40k annual salary?) If it's the latter, I'm highly concerned. Even in countries like India salaries like $60k USD (INR 50 lakh) has become a bare minimum for software engineers who are even the least bit talented... For a really good software developer…

Uhhh, $180k is an awesome developer salary in the US (as long as you’re not talking about silicon valley salaries, which most Americans aren’t). There are also definitely juniors in the US making $60k (and probably even less).

> as long as you’re not talking about silicon valley salaries, which most Americans aren’t

Since WFH became more common, high salaries have spread across the US. Several members of my team are earning $250k to $400k (depending on their level), and are scattered across the US, and many are living super-LCOL cities. For example, one guy (who makes over $350k) lives in Utah, and around the start of COVID he bought a large house with a lot land surrounding it, for (to him) a measly $270k.

> There are also definitely juniors in the US making $60k (and probably even less).

Nobody should be making that little in the US. $120k is the minimum for a software engineer in the US, regardless of location. If a SWE is earning less than six figures in the US, they're certainly being swindled.

Re: Krita fund has no corporate support

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Why does it say "5 developers $ 17k / month"? Is that 1 developer of $17k / month? (So a $204k annual salary?) Or, does it mean 5 developers for $17k / month (i.e. a $40k annual salary?) If it's the latter, I'm highly concerned. Even in countries like India salaries like $60k USD (INR 50 lakh) has become a bare minimum for software engineers who are even the least bit talented... For a really good software developer…

Wow that whole comment suggests you're SF/SV-based. 180k is top pay for a dev in most of America. 50-60k is entry-level pay for a dev in most of America. 350k is really uncommon outside of your bubble. Are you really suggesting Indians make as much and even more? Then why are companies offshoring to them when they could just hire local juniors for the same price?

You can find "engineers" in India who'll accept $6k / year. But, with a few exceptions, most of these $6k/year engineers are really quite terrible at what they do, and their English communication skills are...to put it lightly... not good.

I've dealt with a contractor who hired such engineers. I remember the team, which I think had around 10 people (but I don't recall the exact size). There was 1 guy, who was basically a 10X engineer, and pulled the weight of most of his team/division. He wrote/delivered most of the working code, while there were around 9 others on his team who contributed very little (mostly terribly buggy code which he had to fix).

Yea, they were paying each person on the team $6k (the manager–who was pretty much useless -- was probably earning like $12k), and they were spending around $60k to $70k in total on this 10-person team. But–they could have pretty much just fired the entire team except for the one guy who was producing most of the code, and gotten the same (or better results). He would've been happier, and he wouldn't been dragged down by all those other nearly-non-contributing folks.

(For what it was worth, I talked to this guy (who was from Rajasthan), and suggested that he find a better job that paid better and valued his skills better. And I even offered to recommend him, and help him find a job abroad with a company that'd sponsor a visa for him; but he turned down my offer–he was actually, quite bizarrely, worried about some form of retaliation, if he left that contractor/team. It was strange indeed...)

Of course, if you want to find a software engineer in India who can actually deliver results (and communicate well in English), you should be willing to pay them at least $60k USD (INR 50 lakh) / year. Any less, and you'll basically "get what you pay for" unless you luck out and land some talented engineer who doesn't know his skills' worth.

Fwiw, $60k USD is still a quite cheaper than the US (a 50% discount), since I'd say in the US, the bare minimum for a software engineer today stands at around $120k USD.

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