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Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by eru »

sudosysgen wrote: post #541
eru wrote: post #521

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Yes, but those plans cost extra compared to one that doesn't have this feature. (And don't many plans come with some sort of discount, if you don't upgrade your phone?)

Not in every country/region, unfortunately. In my case it's cheaper to upgrade my phone and sell my previous phone than get a BYOB device by a significant margin.

Yes. Though in terms of physical waste that the original commenter brought up, selling your old phone for someone else to use makes that upgrade a pretty good option.

We could look at the total amount of years any phone is used and abstract away from who uses it. Slightly stylised, if we have four people, Alice, Bob, Charles and Dave, and Alice gets a new phone every year, Bob buys Alice's old phone, Charles buys Bob's old phone, and Dave gets Charles' old phone, then everyone changes phones every year, but each phone is still used for a full four years.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by ColoursofOSINT »

jmprspret wrote: post #566
goles wrote: post #506

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Check into the developer of GrapheneOS reputation. From a friend who used to use GrapheneOS and flashed back. You want that guy pushing code to your phone?

GrapheneOS has been the target of ongoing personal attacks against the former lead dev. None of the claims are true. GOS devs have been swatted and harassed on multiple occasions. I suggest you examine the baseless claims against the (former) lead dev more closely - they are fabrication. (He has been harassed so much, with death threats and the like, that he has recently stepped down as lead dev).

I use GrapheneOS, and I've donated to its development. To say that "None of the claims are true" and that they are "baseless" is incorrect.

Louis Rossman was a supporter of the project until he and Daniel had a failing out in which Daniel behaved inappropriately [1], all over a Youtube comment. There's proof for that and other claims [2, 4, 5].

Daniel can be a talented developer, privacy advocate and asshole at the same time.

It's sad to see him (and others, like yourself) say stuff like "examine the baseless claims", without providing any sources.

After all the drama with Calyxos, Techlore, Louis Rossmann etc, at some point one has to notice a pattern of behavior.

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6W1NT0

2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg

3: https://github.com/AOSPAlliance/README/commit/cbd2a95cba7c2a...

4: https://web.archive.org/web/20210403012439/https://freenode....

5: https://web.archive.org/web/20210818110434/https://sethforpr...

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

valzam wrote: post #411
huehehue wrote: post #385

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The on-screen fingerprint sensor on newer models is infuriating. Unlocking the screen is always a two-action operation of "tap the screen -> wait for it to fade in / wake up -> put your finger on the sensor". The first tap to waken the screen often fails so I have to try one or two more times. It's a small thing but, I have to tumble with it probably 100+ times a day given how often I check my phone for e.g. Slack. I…

On my Samsung S23 I can use the fingerprint reader without "tap to wake" just on the black screen. Is that not possible with pixels?

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Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by lolinder »

what_ever wrote: post #498
vetinari wrote: post #233

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I don't really mind; it concerns only updates of core system, not apps. Apps are still updated, so I get updated browser, mail and other apps, that could be attacked; they are not locked to the system. It makes the attack surface vastly smaller.

They may be confusing Android updates with iOS updates where browser update comes with the OS update and not separately as an app update.

There are risks to leaving an Android OS out of date, too. That can be mitigated somewhat by keeping Bluetooth and Wi-Fi off when away from home, but it's not foolproof.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by phito »

envsubst wrote: post #546
theodric wrote: post #280

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Unfortunately the world is filled with people like my fried who, without fail, buys - for cash, not as part of a contract renewal - the max spec iPhone available every year. One for him, one for his wife. Sell the old ones, or give them to family. Revenue like that is too hard for these companies to pass up. And so we get this waste.

> And so we get this waste. Wait. If they are making phones that get bought up every year because of people like your friend, then where is the waste?

In the landfill

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by vxNsr »

ethbr1 wrote: post #445
vel0city wrote: post #352

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If we're looking at older phones with removable storage, it usually limited what could be put on the SD card. And in the end the OS and system libraries were still on the on-board storage which would wear out over the years. And there's good reason for the OS not being on a microSD card. Run a Raspberry Pi without locking the storage and see how fast it'll corrupt itself. Most SD cards have pretty miserable reliabili…

With cloud backup... this isn't as defensible as it used to be. Today, Apple/Google could design a phone with (a) a user-replacable battery & (b) no flash, only RAM + removable SD storage + long-life EEPROM. Boot loader, SD validator, and minimal image retrieval goes in EEPROM. Storage contents continually backed up, encrypted, to cloud with delta updates. Customer prompted to replace SD card and device reimagined wh…

> That they aren't even interested in that model is because they're in a Faustian bargain with cellular carriers to drive device renewals and post-paid plans.

I like your idea but in the US at least most mobile carriers actually don't encourage yearly upgrades as they force you into a multiyear contract for your phone to get "the best deal". In fact, currently both verizon and AT&T have 30+ month payment plans for phones so you're locked into at least 2.5 years. consequently, most people hold on to their phone for 3 years now.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

Alupis wrote: post #414
nneonneo wrote: post #404

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The recent issue (from the last two years) does not appear to be Teams-related. The Teams thing was from the first wave of emergency call failures, which was traced to a bad interaction between Teams and the Android dialer.

Seems the newer issue would be dialer related as well then. I have several apps with their own dialers on my phone... I just never realized they could break the system dialer in such a way.

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Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by 4m1rk »

kimbernator wrote: post #178

It's starting to feel silly, having a yearly release cycle for smartphones. So much of this product page is focused on new software functions that may have some vague relationship with the slightly upgraded hardware, but that could mostly be released to existing phones. Every new iPhone, Pixel, or Samsung phone basically claims the camera is marginally better and hey, look at these software features that have very li…

> as opposed to meaningful improvement upon the existing design or introduction of a new hardware feature

I just wish they kept the pixel 4 design and only improved the battery life. I would pay more for it than this new design.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by ako »

kimbernator wrote: post #178

It's starting to feel silly, having a yearly release cycle for smartphones. So much of this product page is focused on new software functions that may have some vague relationship with the slightly upgraded hardware, but that could mostly be released to existing phones. Every new iPhone, Pixel, or Samsung phone basically claims the camera is marginally better and hey, look at these software features that have very li…

This has nothing to do with phones, but products in general. Many product companies try to release new product versions very year. Not because they expect customers to update every year, but because buyers looking for a new product want to buy the newest to ensure the product is not outdated soon. And the older version can be sold to price sensitive customers, so it allows product companies to get higher margins for new products.
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