What are those "other approaches". Just in-person exams, right?
It's frustrating that I can't know for certain who's going to win the 2024 election, but that doesn't mean I'd be justified in making a prediction based on a magic 8 ball. AI detectors don't work. If there aren't any other tools and methods that do detect AI, that genuinely stinks, it's a difficult problem. I definitely sympathize. But all the sympathizing in the world won't change the fact that AI detectors don't wo…
That is perhaps longest possible way I've ever seen to say "I don't know"
Take your money elsewhere. Education should be a market. If you feel that "retaliation" is your only option, then you are mostly likely in a monopolized and non-functioning market. If you get good results, it will be due to luck, and not to anything that you've paid for.
> Take your money elsewhere. Education should be a market. You're absolutely right, and any participants in this market should be looking to maximize their grade per dollar spent. (What do you think they should be maximizing?)
Do all institutions produce grades with identical value to employers?
What happens when you have to maximize a function with more than one variable or order?
AI Detection services are the oiliest of snake oils. Seems like education is going to need to change drastically in the next few years. Maybe we'll go all the way back to oral examinations again.
Mathematics programs in Europe still use oral examinations, though they are increasingly rare in the United States. I'm not European, but I have always preferred oral examinations over written examinations because I can actually communicate my understanding of the problem to the professor and outline my thought process towards a solution, something that is much harder to do in writing, especially since you cannot get…
AI Detection services are the oiliest of snake oils. Seems like education is going to need to change drastically in the next few years. Maybe we'll go all the way back to oral examinations again.
I doubt oral examinations come back in general. The undergrad model relys on massive classes, I don’t see how you can do oral exams in those 300 person classes without massive cheating as the first students tell everyone else what to expect.
AI Detection services are the oiliest of snake oils. Seems like education is going to need to change drastically in the next few years. Maybe we'll go all the way back to oral examinations again.
I doubt oral examinations come back in general. The undergrad model relys on massive classes, I don’t see how you can do oral exams in those 300 person classes without massive cheating as the first students tell everyone else what to expect.
It doesn’t matter if students know what to expect.
An oral exam isn’t the same as reading a written exam out loud. There are a set of learning outcomes defined in the syllabus. The examiner uses the learning outcomes to ask probing questions that start a conversation - emphasis on conversation. A conversation can’t be faked. A simple follow up question can reveal a student only has a shallow understanding of material. Or, the student could remember everything they’ve been told, but fail to make connections between learning outcomes. You can’t cram for an oral exam. You have to digest the course material and think about what things mean in context.
After all, students know what to expect on standardized tests. Some still do better than others :-).
It's frustrating that I can't know for certain who's going to win the 2024 election, but that doesn't mean I'd be justified in making a prediction based on a magic 8 ball. AI detectors don't work. If there aren't any other tools and methods that do detect AI, that genuinely stinks, it's a difficult problem. I definitely sympathize. But all the sympathizing in the world won't change the fact that AI detectors don't wo…
That is perhaps longest possible way I've ever seen to say "I don't know"
If that is really your only takeaway from what I wrote then I apologize that the comment didn't elaborate more.
I doubt oral examinations come back in general. The undergrad model relys on massive classes, I don’t see how you can do oral exams in those 300 person classes without massive cheating as the first students tell everyone else what to expect.
It doesn’t matter if students know what to expect. An oral exam isn’t the same as reading a written exam out loud. There are a set of learning outcomes defined in the syllabus. The examiner uses the learning outcomes to ask probing questions that start a conversation - emphasis on conversation. A conversation can’t be faked. A simple follow up question can reveal a student only has a shallow understanding of material…
Is there any value to those lectures, nowadays? I can see a PhD lecture on the fundamentals of virtually any academic topic, for free and at my leisure, on youtube and similar sites. Waking up at 8am to attend an in-person Geology 117 lecture with 300 other freshmen is probably as outdated as a fax machine. Perhaps the next step is, education that isn't based on personal instruction isn't rare enough to be worth payi…
As a PhD candidate (post classes) I honestly use those lectures a lot. No, I do not find a massive classroom better than an online lecture. Actually worse. The advantage of a classroom over a video lecture is the ability to interrupt and ask questions. To have the expert in front of you. In this day and age, sitting in a classroom and not participating is an entire waste of money and you're doing yourself a disservic…
>And though my account is "anonymous", if you ever show up to my lectures, not as a student but just sitting in (I don't take attendance, idk if you walk off the street and want to sit in), you too are welcome to participate.
Good on you for allowing auditing. I had only one teacher in college who allowed people to audit my classes and he even fought the administration to give me credit for the class after I sheepishly approached him and asked if he would mind letting me taking the exam to make sure I understood the material. One of the most insightful classes I took my entire time in college
Is there any value to those lectures, nowadays? I can see a PhD lecture on the fundamentals of virtually any academic topic, for free and at my leisure, on youtube and similar sites. Waking up at 8am to attend an in-person Geology 117 lecture with 300 other freshmen is probably as outdated as a fax machine. Perhaps the next step is, education that isn't based on personal instruction isn't rare enough to be worth payi…
As a PhD candidate (post classes) I honestly use those lectures a lot. No, I do not find a massive classroom better than an online lecture. Actually worse. The advantage of a classroom over a video lecture is the ability to interrupt and ask questions. To have the expert in front of you. In this day and age, sitting in a classroom and not participating is an entire waste of money and you're doing yourself a disservic…
Ah, I meant the lecturer is a PhD, which was supposed to be juxtaposed with the 1xx level course to indicate that it's probably a waste of time on both sides. I'm sure there are huge lectures that aren't useful, but Geology 117 (which I really took) was obviously a waste of money when I spent a pittance per credit hour on it in the 90s; charging someone for it today just seems like highway robbery.
Well, you're an Eagle Scout in everything but name, and honestly that might be better -- you get the personal satisfaction, but you don't do the thing all of us find extremely tedious about Eagle Scouts, which is constantly mentioning (in your 40s) how you're an Eagle Scout.
doing work and not having it recognized but in fact rejected because someone somewhere lost their notes is not the path to personal satisfaction. a lot of merit badge work is based on trust. it should not be to hard to ask a few questions about the work done to be able to judge if it was really done. most of this should be in the control of the scout masters. if they can't trust their scouts to be honest about this a…
This was at a winter camp. My scoutmaster was not there. It was me and two other kids from my troop along with plenty of others from other troops. I (a) signed up for the classes, (b) paid for the classes, (c) completed all the work for the classes. According to them, instead of trying to figure out why I was attending and turning in the assigned work, they just tossed it. I don't respect truly lazy people, and that was truly lazy. So anyway, I made my case, they rejected it, and I decided I had enough. I didn't need their useless external validation, especially since I had already attended every bit of advanced and leadership training within my grasp due to my work and character. Eagle Scout was icing on the cake, it wasn't the cake.