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Re: Return to Office Is Bullshit and Everyone Knows It

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Post by chiefalchemist »

lazide wrote: post #872
chiefalchemist wrote: post #866

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compromising in the short term to meet immediate needs isn't the same as forgetting. Once the tough times have passed, the memory rejuvenates and those who can do (i.e., leave).

Everyone leaves eventually, even if by retirement or death. A great many people say they’ll leave ‘any day now’, or ‘after my next paycheck’ - but then somehow never do. On the employer side, they care about output and costs, and the longer people stay (and keep producing) without need for raises or increased expenses, generally the lower their costs and the greater their output.

That might be true, but it's effectively a long-winded description of mediocrity. Mediocrity will only get you so far. Mediocrity means you're less competitive. Mediocrity means the only way to rise is if your competitor becomes even more mediocre. Mediocrity means to always live in fear that the "trick" isn't going to last much longer. And so on.

The point is, those environments, those cultures don't capture and retain top talent. Again, those who can...do (i.e., leave).

re: "Everybody leave..." Come on. You've got to do better than this. This isn't Reddit.

Re: Return to Office Is Bullshit and Everyone Knows It

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Post by lazide »

soco wrote: post #843
lazide wrote: post #544

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If they actually put in writing ‘Remote is forever’, then later try to fire you for refusing to return to the office - what judge in the world is going to rule in their favor? If course, they rarely actually say that. But some folks have definitely been dumb enough to do so. The issue with contract law is that most folks never put things in writing, so it’s a pain to litigate many claims, which makes it uneconomic to…

Often it might be in writing as a company newsletter or communicated in a call, but not in writing as your employment contract. Mine was always vague on how much can be spent in home office (was never a problem, then or now) and I assume it might be often the case for other companies. Thus anything the management allows or requires is possible and no judge will decide on the basis of a newsletter. So I'm afraid in th…

Sounds like they were smart about it in the case you’re talking about, both in word and in action.

Flexibility (both in being able to say yes, and no) is important. Not being abusive is important too.

A lot of folks have lost their minds over the last few years (more than most), and it’s going to be interesting for sure how this all plays out.

Re: Return to Office Is Bullshit and Everyone Knows It

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Post by olah_1 »

ckbishop wrote: post #679
olah_1 wrote: post #120

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And no one would care. It's been an employers market for a year and will continue that way for the foreseeable future.

I don't know. I just got hired on somewhere using this criteria, and I leave behind a remote-only position that I excelled in for the past four years. And I excelled in several more remote-only positions before that one. I don't have a degree or any certifications either, due to the same disability that prevents me from going into an office. It is an employers' market and the employers that create arbitrary barriers…

> I don't have a degree or any certifications either, due to the same disability that prevents me from going into an office.

What experience do you have that is so in demand? Or is the disability attractive to employers because of DEI reasons?

Re: Return to Office Is Bullshit and Everyone Knows It

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Post by lazide »

anticensor wrote: post #883
lazide wrote: post #860

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I think you have a very different definition of a 'right' than the court system? Folks on both sides are allowed to make decisions others disagree with (within bounds), and suffer or enjoy the consequences appropriately.

Courts are a last resort venue though. They have to work with that standard.

I’m not sure what you mean here.

While having a moral right to something (or not) is definitely important, when push comes to shove it’s the legal rights that come into play.

Legally recognized rights tend to underpin most definitions of ‘rights’ someone has, since if the legal system doesn’t recognize it, it’s nearly inevitable it will be stomped on at some point with no recourse.

And when that happens regularly, it’s hard to claim it’s a right anymore as practically it isn’t.

Re: Return to Office Is Bullshit and Everyone Knows It

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Post by lazide »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #891
lazide wrote: post #872

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone leaves eventually, even if by retirement or death. A great many people say they’ll leave ‘any day now’, or ‘after my next paycheck’ - but then somehow never do. On the employer side, they care about output and costs, and the longer people stay (and keep producing) without need for raises or increased expenses, generally the lower their costs and the greater their output.

That might be true, but it's effectively a long-winded description of mediocrity. Mediocrity will only get you so far. Mediocrity means you're less competitive. Mediocrity means the only way to rise is if your competitor becomes even more mediocre. Mediocrity means to always live in fear that the "trick" isn't going to last much longer. And so on. The point is, those environments, those cultures don't capture and ret…

I’m pretty sure I don’t actually have to do better than this, actually.

And I’m going to have to quote Sturgeon’s law here. “90% of everything is crap”.

If 90% of employers are crap, (or 90% of jobs in an industry?), there is going to be a lot of competition for the 10% that aren’t with the crap employers or with the crap jobs. In conditions like we have today, many of the top 10% will even relax their standards (sliding closer to crap), since they just need to beat their competition not be perfect.

All they need to do to outrun the bear is run faster than the next guy, not be the fastest in the world.

So not everyone is going to get one of those nice ones, pretty much by definition no?

I wish you luck with finding one, and making the move if your current employer sucks.

Many won’t, for valid reasons. And employers are counting on that. For valid reasons (even if we all hate it).

That is my observation.

Re: Return to Office Is Bullshit and Everyone Knows It

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Post by [deleted] »

jrsj wrote: post #890
Kye wrote: post #808

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>> "it's going to be really difficult for a lot of people to take it seriously with all this." Putting off people with an aversion to furry art is a great way to filter out the most tedious sort of people. Try to please everyone and you end up pleasing no one.

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Re: Return to Office Is Bullshit and Everyone Knows It

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Post by Tainnor »

sdfghswe wrote: post #762
Tainnor wrote: post #742

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They were giving general examples of things where giving an ultimatum in the workplace makes sense and not explicitly addressing OP's workplace behaviour. I feel like you're the only person here bringing up that OP is a furry (you, and some other comment that is thankfully dead).

Why thankfully? Are you a furry?

Because it's completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand whether or not the author is a furry or not.

Re: Return to Office Is Bullshit and Everyone Knows It

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Post by Tainnor »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #884
CPLX wrote: post #825

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When I wrote that comment I had no idea the blog writer was a furry. Now that I do however I am even more sure that his reasoning for not wanting to be in a public setting is even less worthy of generalization than I had originally thought.

But you read the article before you wrote your comment, right? And if anybody looks at the content of that article, they can quite clearly tell the author is a furry...so how did you not realise this, given you read the article before you wrote you comment? Hmmm.

People who aren't very familiar with that culture might just assume that the author likes cute cartoon pictures of animals...

I don't get why it matters?

Re: Return to Office Is Bullshit and Everyone Knows It

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Post by some_furry »

Kye wrote: post #886
fennecfoxy wrote: post #882

I have a "who's flying this thing?!" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3oYnlPfBvI ) theory. That a large number of CEOs/Executives/management etc are actually useless and achieve nothing; the impact that they have on the business is incredibly minimal and sometimes they are even a detriment to overall function. Look at your typical CEO of a large-ish company: what do they actually do? The business has presumably hir…

>> "Eyyyy, article author is a furry, too! :3 " He's not a fennec fox, unfortunately. Can't all be perfect.

No but I have fennec friends ^w^
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