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Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by samatman »

Conan_Kudo wrote: post #131
finite_depth wrote: post #123

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American here: I've only heard "desi" used as a self-descriptor by South Asian people, usually Indian (but I think Pakistani sometimes as well?). It doesn't carry a negative connotation here that I know of, though I might have missed one that does exist.

As an Indian-American, I've heard variations of this to describe first-gen American born Indians in a negative fashion. Sometimes, the shorthand "ABCD" is used (meaning American Born Confused Desi ) to insult American Indians. This is principally used by Indians who either live in India or emigrated to the US and encounter American Indians. (As an aside, it's rather difficult to accurately describe my ethno-national…

There's no need to worry about confusion, Indian-American always means ancestry or origin in India. Native American is the usual term in the US for the indigenous, although many of them call themselves Indians and prefer it, a generation ago it was American Indian, but it's never been the other way around, hyphen or otherwise.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by ranger_danger »

pezezin wrote: post #149
lloeki wrote: post #99

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> Japanese localization Shift-JIS or whatever 0x5c shenanigans were immediately brought back to mind. https://web.archive.org/web/20061208222907/http://blogs.msdn... Still makes ripples to this day: https://superuser.com/questions/1167662/why-is-windows-10-di...

Shift-JIS is still a pain in the ass. I recently encountered two applications that only work properly in Japanese Windows, and in any other locale will just display mojibake. And these are modern applications, made in the last year. How is that even possible in 2023?

Because most (esp. Japanese) people don't know how to use Unicode properly, or don't care. They just build without defining UNICODE and naively assume your local codepage to be CP932 because 99% of their target audience is exactly this (and hence seemingly unaffected).

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by ranger_danger »

replete wrote: post #60

I've been trying out all the firefox forks that come out and end up back on master Firefox (on desktop, Mull wins on Android IMO) due to the inevitable limits of developer time on the project. The value proposition is never quite worth it for the downsides. A web browser is not a trivial project to build and upstream changes are unrelenting. Just like I've seen in Linux for 20+ years, we see different tribes basicall…

> Why are all these people building different sandcastles when they could be working together?

Why are chefs baking bread? There's buildings to construct.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by ranger_danger »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #82
toxinu wrote: post #18

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People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them and being offended with an Open Source software that just want to say is it developed in Japan. Stop over thinking and just appreciate people work. And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years, so I guess there are some engineers over there.

> People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them Maybe I'm just in the wrong bubble, but I've never seen that. > And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. Their focus is on the gaming part. Though, it has become a bit better in the last years, but usually…

Most Apple products say "Designed by Apple in California".

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by rdlw »

MikusR wrote: post #42
toxinu wrote: post #18

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People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them and being offended with an Open Source software that just want to say is it developed in Japan. Stop over thinking and just appreciate people work. And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years, so I guess there are some engineers over there.

By what metric? Top 3 games by units sold are american. By revenue they are in top 4 with games made in 80s and top spot is a Korean game.

> Top 3 games by units sold are american

Counting Minecraft and Tetris as American games? I suppose Microsoft bought Minecraft and EA licensed Tetris, but that seems to speak more to the business sense of American publishers than quality of American software development.

Eleven out of the twenty best-selling games are Japanese, and 28 out of the top 50.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by sfink »

dilawar wrote: post #104
brabel wrote: post #72

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> This is a huge psychological factor in the hearts and minds of Japanese people. I think countries mostly fall into one of two baskets: * those who normally favor their own country's products. * those who almost universally loathe their own country's products. I was born in one of the latter types of countries. Where I am from, the word "imported" was absolutely synonym with "better quality". It didn't even matter w…

> those who almost universally loathe their own country's products. In Indian rural side, "desi" (native) is almost always synonyms with bad quality, not cheap which is implied, but bad quality. I heard that desi in many foreign country means Indian?! Desi or swadesi (home made) had a special emotional appeal to urban upper middle class leadership during freedom struggle. I don't know how they feel about it. Chandray…

As a white, vanilla American, I have always understood desi to be very similar to "hick" or "country bumpkin", but from the subcontinent. (And usually applied to people who have never been anywhere near the countryside.)

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by lmm »

rjh29 wrote: post #74
papaver-somnamb wrote: post #44

Seeing some talk about "built in Japan": This is a huge psychological factor in the hearts and minds of Japanese people. AFAICT, pride is a main constituent. There is a strong desire for Japanese to have accomplishments to be proud of to the world, to stand out on a crowded world stage. Another is this phrase particularly signals to other Japanese: Hey, choose this software, because it was made by our kind (pride), a…

It's just a country like any other, most of us are proud of the things our country has done.

Unicode is standardised in a way that uniquely screws the Japanese language. So using "international" applications tends to be uniquely bad in Japan.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by lmm »

MikusR wrote: post #42
toxinu wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them and being offended with an Open Source software that just want to say is it developed in Japan. Stop over thinking and just appreciate people work. And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years, so I guess there are some engineers over there.

By what metric? Top 3 games by units sold are american. By revenue they are in top 4 with games made in 80s and top spot is a Korean game.

> By what metric? Top 3 games by units sold are american.

The top 3 games by units sold were made respectively in Stockholm, Edinburgh and Moscow. How exactly do you figure that makes them "american"?

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

rjh29 wrote: post #74
papaver-somnamb wrote: post #44

Seeing some talk about "built in Japan": This is a huge psychological factor in the hearts and minds of Japanese people. AFAICT, pride is a main constituent. There is a strong desire for Japanese to have accomplishments to be proud of to the world, to stand out on a crowded world stage. Another is this phrase particularly signals to other Japanese: Hey, choose this software, because it was made by our kind (pride), a…

It's just a country like any other, most of us are proud of the things our country has done.

And yet, cheap Chinese manufacturing has taken over the world. When it comes to money, pride isn't so important to most of us.
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