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Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by swayvil »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #222
robocat wrote: post #152

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When is the right time for your kid to learn how to deal with modern life problems? You can protect your kid for a while, but sooner or later your protection becomes a bigger problem.

You start teaching them at an early age how society may see it as no big deal, but society is wrong and it's a very big deal. Show them through your actions that life is better lived without such distractions. And be prepared for everyone to call you a conspiracy nut. But you eventually let that roll off your back when you see how happy your kids are just being kids.

I suspect that there are several "big deals" in our society that are trivialized because it's normal, common, approved of by authority, etc.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by tivert »

yard2010 wrote: post #311
tivert wrote: post #132

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> Tech should serve us It should , but it's becoming more and more obvious that it won't and can't . Literally every economic incentive it pushing towards 1) making it crappier until it's just good enough to buy, 2) maximally exploiting its users. The market won't save us, because a competitor who tries to gain market-share by not doing that crap will eventually turn around and join in the fun, once it's in their int…

No need for such pessimism - what can, and will change how things work is the consumer, being smart enough to demand better. See the other comments here, there is a market for responsible sustainable and boundary-respecting products. It is just a matter of time IMHO, until the majority of people have enough. Imagine the food industry 20 years back. It looked like the end of the world - literal poison everywhere you l…

> No need for such pessimism - what can, and will change how things work is the consumer, being smart enough to demand better. See the other comments here, there is a market for responsible sustainable and boundary-respecting products. It is just a matter of time IMHO, until the majority of people have enough.

I'll believe it when I see it. But it's not looking good. Subscription streaming was supposed to be like that: you pay to get a "responsible sustainable and boundary-respecting products." But it turns out showing people ads makes more money, so those products are pushing users in that direction.

> Imagine the food industry 20 years back. It looked like the end of the world - literal poison everywhere you look. Your arguments back then would never foresee today's organic food hype and vegetables craze.

Isn't that mainly an affluent consumer thing? And often subject to lies and nonsense?

I expect the digital equivalent to be something like Google's doing: changing their products to ostensibly "protect" user privacy, but in reality giving all the data to Google and locking out its competitors.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by FlingPoo »

soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

I set my phone on DND when I go to bed. The only notifications I let through the DND are my security cameras (internal), and 2 phone numbers, my sister, and my business partner.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by thedaly »

kubb wrote: post #261
tivert wrote: post #132

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> Tech should serve us It should , but it's becoming more and more obvious that it won't and can't . Literally every economic incentive it pushing towards 1) making it crappier until it's just good enough to buy, 2) maximally exploiting its users. The market won't save us, because a competitor who tries to gain market-share by not doing that crap will eventually turn around and join in the fun, once it's in their int…

Regulation is a proven and tested way to combat the inefficiency of free markets. Literally, we could start fining phone manufacturers who allow notifications that aren’t direct messages. Ban ads from public spaces while we’re at it.

Regulation is impossible when the regulators have been captured by the interests that they are supposed to regulate.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by Saline9515 »

dunefox wrote: post #341
lolinder wrote: post #95

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> in the hands of a kid, today's phone technology and it's inability to stop this crap it's the incarnation of evil. I'm going to be that guy: this honestly just sounds like you're abdicating your parental responsibility and placing the blame on the tech. Yes, the tech is bad, but there's no reason why your kid should be subjected to the full weight of its awfulness besides that you let him. Step one is to question w…

> Peer pressure is not a good enough answer. It absolutely is. Enjoy having an isolated kid, I guess.

As someone who was raised in a home without TV, sorry, but this is nonsense.

I heard this dozens of times, but in reality, having a phone, a tv, a gameboy isn't going to make a difference.

On the contrary, a kid without the latest consumerist gadget will likely have to develop social skills, and also will have to form new tastes and do different activities, such as reading, sport, etc etc - that will make him less isolated and a better individual.

Anecdata, but my son is raised in a home without screens, and he's the most sociable toddler of the playground. Probably because his dopamine receptors aren't overloaded and that he's enjoying the stimulation of social interactions!

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by Saline9515 »

theshrike79 wrote: post #267
sergiomattei wrote: post #58

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You handed your 11 year old a smartphone? That’s brave. My parents handed me one when I was in 9th grade.

My kid got a smart phone at age 7 when they started school. It's still mostly in their backpack and they regularly miss calls and messages from friends because it's always on mute and still in the school bag even though it's already evening =) You need to normalise these things and teach how to manage it from an early age. Like screen time is a completely normal thing in our family, it has been activated since the se…

The problem is that modern smartphones and app are designed to create addiction through finely tuned positive reinforcement triggers and rewards. The younger a kid is exposed, the most likely he will be affected all of his life by the addiction.

"Normalizing" it akin to normalizing cigarettes - some kids could indeed manage to smoke only one a week, but most won't.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by Saline9515 »

MichaelRo wrote: post #127
sergiomattei wrote: post #58

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You handed your 11 year old a smartphone? That’s brave. My parents handed me one when I was in 9th grade.

Not only that, he's using my Google account, so it's managed as one of my devices :) With full access to unrestricted YouTube premium, Google Play, etc. He's only got limits with respect to the time he spends on the phone or PC. So far hasn't discovered or been interested in "naughty" content. I was forced to live in the "middle ages", communist Romania with no TV, no electricity, go to bed at candle's light, half an…

There's maybe a compromise between no electricity and youtube premium then?

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by silisili »

FlingPoo wrote: post #393
soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

I set my phone on DND when I go to bed. The only notifications I let through the DND are my security cameras (internal), and 2 phone numbers, my sister, and my business partner.

Android, I think, does something this automatically. At least, I don't hear it all night, and when I go to check in the morning I get bombarded with notifications that seemed to have occured overnight.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by fsckboy »

> Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

ever had a teen help you with a setting on your phone? their fingers FLY, they know the menus inside and out (yeah, I remember, like I used to)

Teens don't want to shut their messaging off, is the problem, cuz if they wanted to it would all be gone very fast.

"Teens inundated with teenness"

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by oogabooga13 »

thenerdhead wrote: post #34

Jonathan Haidt has done a great job advocating this problem and is writing a book coming out this next year called "The Anxious Generation": https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/phone-free-schools https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/sapien-smartphone-repor... https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/social-media-mental-ill... This isn't something that can be solved with "better tech". It is something that is solved with…

It's definitely why I finally bit the bullet and spent about a week or so to refine all of my "focus" status in iOS and have them automatically engage depending on geo-location or specific time of day.

After a week of observing what worked/didn't work for me I enjoy my phone more and get the notifications I want when I want.

Before setting up the focus groups I definitely was receiving too many useless notifications damn near every hour.

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