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How much is college in other places? It's free here in San Francisco. You don't pay anything. You can get an education at CCSF without a dime paid if you live here.
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I have a problem with taxes in general, and this is yet another stupid idea. Increased tax loads always get passed on to the consumer. What we will end up with is higher cost of doing business and 100% for certain federally run universities will still need taxpayer bailouts every single year. Lose lose all the way around. I have an even better idea: get rid of all freebies. If someone wants something, they can get of…
nothwithstanding all the things that taxes get used for, education is the last thing that you want to force people to pay for by themselves, because the result will be that much less people will send their kids to school because they can't afford it, and so you will end up with a large portion of uneducated and unemployable people. you really do not want to live in a country where that is the case. only education can…
If tax dollars are to be used then you HAVE to use them appropriately and giving out free education to a lot people that'll just fail and waste it is not a good solution.
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We are talking about taking something that individuals pay for, that costs about $40k in total at affordable schools, and making it totally free for as many people who want it. If additional people want to pay beyond the cap, wonderful. But I don’t see how the financials make any sense otherwise.
could you answer those questions I asked you?
Emotionally speaking my friend’s kid has muscular dystrophy and it’s extremely sad and heart wrenching to watch what was formerly an active toddler degrade into wheel chair bound pain and suffering, leading to a death around 30 years old. I wish society would put unlimited funds into solving this disease because I personally see how devastating it is to my friend’s family and the child himself.
However in an argument about where to allocate scarce resources, putting all of our money into solving that is probably not what most people would choose.
Similarly I don’t think unlimited free education to every 18 year old is a good choice, despite emotional pleas.
As others in the thread have noted, there are two separeate issues here: 1. Young people should be able to get a quality education regardless of their families' financial situation. 2. Everyone should have an equal shot at attaining positions of power in society (not so much for their own good, since almost nobody is going to attain these positions anyway it's a small benefit relative to the total population, as for…
Equality is the term you're looking for.
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You think that won't improve the argument?
If the argument is the US spends more on military than education, and we only look at federal numbers, it's an incomplete and misleading accounting. States spend a lot on education, and not a lot on state military. This article claims California's 2022-2023 budget includes $128 Billion for education [1]. For 2018-2019, the California Military Department budget was $233 Million [2]. If other states are similar (and I…
Regardless, this isn't a d/ck size competition. What I'm saying is that we prioritize too much on military and too little on education. The numbers are irrelevant unless you're trying to prove we don't prioritize that way. I could easily argue against that by saying we have the best military on the planet and the dumbest kids [0].
[0] https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statisti...
How much is college in other places? It's free here in San Francisco. You don't pay anything. You can get an education at CCSF without a dime paid if you live here.
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The entire US military budget is federal, but most of the education budget comes from the states. You're comparing apples to oranges.
> The entire US military budget is federal, False. For instance, California’s military spending in FY 2023-2024 is budgeted at $293.6 million (putting it between Paraguay and Niger in military spending), of which the majority is state funds, not federal support (by state funds alone, its somewhere around Monogolia’s military spending.) It is true that the vast majority of the US’s defense spending is federal, though.…
I'm going to say that the former is a rounding error, and the latter is massively significant.
I’m amazed by how many people use the word “free” to mean “pay even more tax for the rest of your life.”
I probably pay more tax than you do (based on your comment). I live in Sweden, in Europe. For that I (and everyone around me) have free school up to and including university studies (actually I would get paid USD 330 in grants, up to 240 weeks, plus the ability to take a loan, neither which I have to use for tuition fees). I have nearly free health care and medicine (max costs for 12 months $120 and $230 respectively…
It's not free. You're forcefully taking money out of people's pockets to support the system.
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> devalue the diploma from the public college Huh? How so? If the only change is that you no longer need to pay for college, but otherwise admission standards and education quality remain the same, then why would the value of a diploma change? Unless the diploma was implicitly a signal for wealth, of course...
Wages are based on how easy you are to replace. If a job has a high wage because they require a specific college degree, then making the degree easier to get since you don't have to pay for it, then there will be more people with that degree, so the supply of workers is higher, making them easier to replace, so the wages of those workers goes down.
You are confusing "easier to afford the degree" with "easier to learn and obtain the degree." The former does not imply the latter in any way, shape, or form.