Phonetically - as a Japanese speaking person - how would this be pronounced?
Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan
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Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
I couldn't care less where my item is produced. It just so happens that a large variety of high-end products are produced at a higher level of quality (and cost, generally) in the West (including S Korea and Japan); but if someone introduced me to a Nigerian, Mexican, Thai, etc product that surpassed my current choice, I would switch in an instant. I don't understand caring at all about the source, unless there is so…
Some people care about items not travelling twice the globe before landing home. Other people care about work conditions for the produced items they buy, namely not manufactured by children, for which country origin could be an indicator.
> unless there is some fundamental moral hangup with it
Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan
#113Phonetically - as a Japanese speaking person - how would this be pronounced?
...badly.
Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well I must be part of the exception then. I am not proud of anything I have not directly contributed to. Feeling proud for other people achievements is very strange to me.
I assume you don't feel shame for things your fellow humans have done either? Anyway everyone is different, but I'm talking about neurotypical people mostly.
Interesting, I’m surprised that you think the average person feels shame over the actions of bad people. I would have said sadness in sympathy to the victims and disgust for the bad person
Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Note that out of these, the PaleMoon browser ( https://www.palemoon.org ) is the only real "hard" fork of Firefox. The others are all "soft" forks of Mozilla Firefox in that they all just customise some existing settings as defaults or customise the UI or integrate their own extensions of Firefox and rebrand it. The PaleMoon team however forked even Mozilla Gecko ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software) ), th…
It's really unfortunate that the Pale Moon team are also totally unlikable, which is probably among the reasons why usage has dropped off since it was in vogue in the early-mid 2010s. This[0] issue in a WIP repo for OpenBSD always reminds me of the line in The Big Lebowski "You're not wrong Walter, you're just an asshole". It's fascinatingly hostile for little cause and a non-trivial amount of reputational damage. Al…
> It's really unfortunate that the Pale Moon team are also totally unlikable, which is probably among the reasons why usage has dropped off since it was in vogue in the early-mid 2010s.
I'm not sure that's the reason. Regardless of feelings users may have toward developers, they'll still use the best tool for the job. I used Pale Moon on an older computer because none of the modern browsers performed well, including FF. I was well aware of some of the drama.
(Likewise, I raged against Microsoft for years before I made the switch to Linux. So many other examples)
When Mozilla went Quantum, it's performance was so good, it was able to replace Pale Moon. I wrote a thing about this here in 2019: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19367536
I'm thinking that over the last 4 years (since 2019), many users have upgraded their hardware and the need for Pale Moon - as a lighter browser alternative - has simply diminished.
Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Note that out of these, the PaleMoon browser ( https://www.palemoon.org ) is the only real "hard" fork of Firefox. The others are all "soft" forks of Mozilla Firefox in that they all just customise some existing settings as defaults or customise the UI or integrate their own extensions of Firefox and rebrand it. The PaleMoon team however forked even Mozilla Gecko ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software) ), th…
Pale Moon is also inherently less secure due to Goanna sticking to single process mode.
And inherently a far less ram using browser. I do 500 tabs in under 3GB. By also not implementing all the useless attack surfaces like DRM, Integrated PDF reader, WebRTC, and friends it avoids many of the exploits which make modern browsers like FF and Chrome insecure. Overall it probably balances out. Especially since PM users are likely to have JS execution disabled by default (like I do).
Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is just completely opposed to the spirit of FOSS. A really sad way to treat contributors like Feodor, but a very effective way of ensuring I'll never use that fork
Luckily the guy behind nearly all of the drama (Tobin) was kicked off the team a year or two ago. It's beeen smooth sailing since.
The maintainer came out swinging and backed the guy that opened the issue.
Doesn’t sound like one person is the bad apple
Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe for someone who prefers to buy made in Japan over made in China. A made in Europe sticker would definitely appeal to me more than a made in China. At least on products that are not mass produced from established brands.
I couldn't care less where my item is produced. It just so happens that a large variety of high-end products are produced at a higher level of quality (and cost, generally) in the West (including S Korea and Japan); but if someone introduced me to a Nigerian, Mexican, Thai, etc product that surpassed my current choice, I would switch in an instant. I don't understand caring at all about the source, unless there is so…
Most people don’t buy 500 cars or 390 tv. It’s just about reputation and isn’t branding a reputation.
Cars made in foo are good, tv made is bar have bad QA
Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan
#119What's the point of stating that "it's made in Japan"? I just don't get it. Does it have improved IME or CJK support? It's not like Japan is famous for its quality software to be honest.
> What's the point of stating that "it's made in Japan"? I just don't get it.
What I don't get is why this is your main and only takeaway. It's such an odd and surprising reaction.
When I hear, for example, that Linux is being used at a gov site in Brazil or Germany or France - I get quit excited. I like that the FOSS is making inroads in other areas.
With the dominance of Chrome worldwide, I am equally excited that a group of developers from another country are helping push competition in this space, driving home the message of privacy. Mozilla needs it... we all need it for the health of the internet.
These guys have been at this for a while (based on their github page) and have made installers available for the main three OSes. I'm excited to give this a try.
Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan
#120For reference, this is not just the only player in town (for Firefox forks). There is the following: - librewolf (Desktop) [1] - Mull (Android) [2] - Iceraven (Android) [3] - Mercury (Desktop) [4] - Pulse Browser (Desktop) [5] - Waterfox (Desktop) [6] - Floorp (Desktop) [7] --> This submission - Pale Moon (Desktop) [8] - Mullvad Browser (Desktop) [9] - Tor browser (Desktop - Android) [10] This list is not inclusive.…
Thanks for this list. I uncovered a couple of Desktop FF Forks I didn't know existed : Pulse Browser and Mercury (not including Floorp, this submission). A couple of months ago it was Mullvad.
I'm really happy to see developers taking an active interest in modifying/forking FF. I was beginning to believe that interest in FF was dying out and so I'm finding this submission, as well as this list - extremely exciting!