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Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

vetinari wrote: post #300
scarface_74 wrote: post #292

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Again you don’t know your history. Microsoft paid Apple a settlement fee as part of the overarching deal they made with Apple back in 1997.

The 1997 settlement was about making peace between these two companies. It had nothing to do with the 1994 lawsuit. Btw, the result was that "Apple cannot get patent-like protection for the idea of a graphical user interface, or the idea of a desktop metaphor [under copyright law].." If you want to know how it looks when Microsoft did stole something, look at Stacker. Entirely different evidence, entirely different r…

Again, you don’t know your history.

https://www.theregister.com/1998/10/29/microsoft_paid_apple_...

Your batting average isn’t too high on this topic.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

vetinari wrote: post #299
scarface_74 wrote: post #294

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It was very well supported. I had a Mac LC II back then. And your previous comments about the history of Apple makes me think that your memory or experience during that time is spotty.

Well supported? Outside of Apple-only SVQ3 and QDM2, it was deserted wasteland. All the videos you could play on PC, it was pita on a Mac. Even if you eventually had divx codec, you had to convert avis to movs. But it is already established in this thread by others, that you have your own, RDF-like experience of what happened; no point in trying to discuss any further.

Yes, it’s my “reality” distortion field that AppleScript wasn’t around until 2000 (which you were wrong about), that the Microsoft settlement didn’t involve QT (which you were wrong about), that Job’s sued MS (which you were wrong about) and that it wasn’t well supported by third parties (you were wrong about that too - I used it to do some automation around MS Office by 1995). Since you didn’t even know that AppleScript existed in 1993, how are you suppose to have any credibility about its history?

I actually used it shortly after it was introduced.

So what video were you playing on Windows around the time that QT was introduced?

Do you know what demo was on the QT 3.5 disk that Apple sent out?

Your “facts” are so wrong that you couldn’t have possible been working with Macs when these events occurred.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by donkeybeer »

scarface_74 wrote: post #296
donkeybeer wrote: post #277

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What do you gain from it remaining closed? Why are you so defensive about the idea of Apple being forced to open it up? Are you an Apple employee or do you have Apple stocks or is there any other reason? You lose literally nothing and gain lots from them being opened up. I don't care about any "trouble" Apple has with it because I am not Apple. I am a person who thinks of his needs first, just as Apple is an entity t…

Well, the first thing I gain is a non shitty way of using Bluetooth headphones without “some gotchas”.

Even if we ignore the fact that other manufacturers have it too, you won't lose this Apple product should Apple be forced to open it up. Its very telling you simply refused to answer that point blank question completely and tried to change the topic. I am asking you again, even more point blank: what exactly do you lose if Apple is forced to open up this product and release its driver sources, etc? How does it change anything at all with how the device is already working for you? Why are you unable to give a straight answer to such an extremely simple question?

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Post by scarface_74 »

smoldesu wrote: post #304
scarface_74 wrote: post #296

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Well, the first thing I gain is a non shitty way of using Bluetooth headphones without “some gotchas”.

You get that with or without Apple technology. There's not a single 'gotcha' you've named yet. Furthermore, Apple's integrated solution quite literally depends on the Open standard of Bluetooth to operate. Whether or not you consider it a bad thing, quite obviously the integration and open solution both work fine alongside one another.

I didn’t say there were “some gotchas” the person defending the open standards did

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37733315

Yes and the phone also depends on standards when it comes to electricity. The fact is that Apple’s work on top of the standard provide a more robust more user friendly implementation.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

smoldesu wrote: post #306
scarface_74 wrote: post #255

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Again, why do I care why it happens. Your “open” standards leads to a shittier experience. > Next though, you'll tell me that those democratically elected officials aren't "people", and are more profit-motivated than a business. Whatever helps you sleep at night, I suppose It’s cute that you think politicians represent “the people” considering how PACs work or that you think they are “democratically” elected consider…

> Again, why do I care why it happens. Your “open” standards leads to a shittier experience. Again, why do you? Apple's products have worked just fine implimenting open standards (eg. HTML, TLS, AES, RSA, etc.). You could easily argue that the iPhone wouldn't be popular without open standards like Bluetooth and the Internet. > It’s cute that you think politicians represent “the people” Does the unregulated market rep…

Apple products work fine working on top of those standards and adding its own features where it can make sure those features work consistently because it is an integrated environment.

Well, if I have a choice between a corporation - which I can choose not to support and a government with guns and the ability to take away my rights by force having power, I’ll choose private corporations every time.

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Post by scarface_74 »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #305
scarface_74 wrote: post #211

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Really? I have a silent fanless MacBook Air running an Apple designed chip, with an Apple written OS where I can move my cursor between it and my iPad sitting right besides it and my keyboard and mouse can control both seanlessly. It also gets 16 hours of battery life. And then I have a Windows laptop with piss poor battery life, sounds like a 747 at idle and runs hot enough that if I actually put it in my lap , it w…

Apple would still be able to do all of that. The main reason Windows sucks is that Windows sucks . No specialized hardware can change that. The second reason is that hardware manufacturers make shitty drivers; because it shouldn't be their job in the first place. And why is OS X so good? They scrapped the original MacOS, and started fresh with a fork of BSD. None of that has anything to do with monopolizing hardware.…

So none of the fact that my MacBook Air runs quiet and fast running Apple designed processors, using an Apple designed OS, and integrating with other Apple hardware has anything to do with Apple being integrated?

And it shouldn’t be the company’s responsibility that made the hardware to make drivers and they should depend on who to do it then?

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Post by scarface_74 »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #303
pjmlp wrote: post #293

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You see this on the last bastion of people still hoping that Mac Pro desktop makes a proper comeback, instead of a Mac Studio in a bigger case. Creatives buying Apple has always been mostly a North American phenomen, in Europe Apple only started being market relevant after the NeXT reverse acquisition, with iPod and iMacs rescuing it from insolvency.

Yeah the US has a weird fascination with Apple in particular. Just look at iphone users looking down on Android users because their text messages come as green instead of blue.

In every single market, the people who an afford iPhones, overwhelmingly by them. You see the same in the EU and especially China.

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Post by ylyn »

noobermin wrote: post #27

I've swung over the last few years from thinking it's manufacturers' fault to realising that most of the fault here lies with the linux project itself. They're the ones who have normalised constant churn and thus needing to keep drivers for hardware, sometimes many years old, up to date year after year or even month after month. After seeing the churn mentality affect everything mainly spreading from web dev circles…

> They're the ones who have normalised constant churn and thus needing to keep drivers for hardware, sometimes many years old, up to date year after year or even month after month.

That's exactly why you should mainline your code. Then people refactoring other subsystems will fix your code for you.

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

scarface_74 wrote: post #317
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #303

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Yeah the US has a weird fascination with Apple in particular. Just look at iphone users looking down on Android users because their text messages come as green instead of blue.

In every single market, the people who an afford iPhones, overwhelmingly by them. You see the same in the EU and especially China.

That's a fantastic random fact that has absolutely no bearing on the point I made.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by pjmlp »

scarface_74 wrote: post #317
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah the US has a weird fascination with Apple in particular. Just look at iphone users looking down on Android users because their text messages come as green instead of blue.

In every single market, the people who an afford iPhones, overwhelmingly by them. You see the same in the EU and especially China.

That is why they manage 20% world market share on mobile devices, and about 10% across desktop and laptop devices.

Not everyone can buy a Bentley.

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