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Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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What open standard covers shared clipboards across devices?

If it doesn't exist, then obviously the standard body has to work with the stakeholders and create one.

Are you suggesting that Apple shouldn’t create any new feature without going through a standards body?

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No, Microsoft actually stole QuickTime code. https://thisdayintechhistory.com/12/06/apple-sues-over-quick... Someone doesn’t know their history… Also, the look and feel lawsuit happened before Jobs came back and within a few months after he came back, he settled all of the claims. Your memory is spotty

I see you don't know how presumption of innocence works. I'm not a fan of Microsoft, but the same applies to them as anyone else. You can be sued for anything, whether true or not. In the court, it must be proven that you did what you are sued for. So it is either proven, or not, and then the court issues the verdict. If it is not, like in Microsoft's case, they are still innocent. It does not matter whether it was i…

Again you don’t know your history. Microsoft paid Apple a settlement fee as part of the overarching deal they made with Apple back in 1997.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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I rather have Windows laptops that can replace a graphics workstation. a gaming PC on the go, or HPC on the go. Markets Apple decided weren't worth their time.

It's amazing how many people are just loyal to Apple even when it doesn't make sense. There was a time when PCs started having vastly better graphics cards, and Adobe started prioritizing development for PCs, but still graphic designers were buying Apple because 'it's what creatives use'.

You see this on the last bastion of people still hoping that Mac Pro desktop makes a proper comeback, instead of a Mac Studio in a bigger case.

Creatives buying Apple has always been mostly a North American phenomen, in Europe Apple only started being market relevant after the NeXT reverse acquisition, with iPod and iMacs rescuing it from insolvency.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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I just notice you said AppleScript didn’t exist then. It was introduced in 1993.

I corrected myself; being introduced in 1993 does not mean it was supported by all the Apple utilities since start, at once. Also, it is not an user friendly solution. Do you know, how it really worked? Mac users were sharing QT pro keys. Most had zero interest in the pro features, except full screen playback. It took Apple almost two decades to fix this.

It was very well supported. I had a Mac LC II back then.

And your previous comments about the history of Apple makes me think that your memory or experience during that time is spotty.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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It is a great idea, but with a caveat: communism is a great idea too, and pretty much in the same sense. I can say that about most of the propositions in this thread. I, as a user (and a vim-user, may I add), would like it very much if all the software and hardware in the world would be fully open, customizable, community-maintained. I, as a manufacturer, am less keen on that idea. So, to make it happen, every manufa…

> ... literally, we are stepping farther from the open market and killing some personal freedom... No, we are democratically balancing consumer rights with the rights of entrepreneurs to make money. Consumers need the right to repair and not be limited with closed, proprietary standards. That entrepreneurs may take take a slight hit on their profit due to this is acceptable as protecting the consumer enhances the wel…

So when did entrepreneurs have “the right” to make money?

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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So every single “open” standard seems to suck compared to the integrated solution.

What do you gain from it remaining closed? Why are you so defensive about the idea of Apple being forced to open it up? Are you an Apple employee or do you have Apple stocks or is there any other reason? You lose literally nothing and gain lots from them being opened up. I don't care about any "trouble" Apple has with it because I am not Apple. I am a person who thinks of his needs first, just as Apple is an entity t…

Well, the first thing I gain is a non shitty way of using Bluetooth headphones without “some gotchas”.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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So which model did you have? You can’t find a review anywhere on the internet? You claim I’m the zealout. But every piece of third party evidence you dismiss? What exactly did I “lie” about? Were the quotes from the Verge inaccurate? What did I over exaggerate? You have presented nothing . No websites, no reviews, no model numbers. You said you “researched” your purchase before you bought the your laptop. What websit…

Yeah, I've already said I'm not bothering to put effort into any reply to you. Yet you keep replying. You can find models that compete with Macbook air on the vendor homepages.It's truly ridiculous to think Your Mac is the top of the top tier laptops available when it comes to balancing performance and battery. Believe whatever you want to buddy.

And still no evidence…

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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But from the end-user perspective it doesn't really. Nobody consciously sets the universal clipboard up, it comes as part of the cohesive whole of the Apple ecosystem. That's my point. Whether or not you want to dive deep into nerdland of if it's a program or not is besides the point, because for the end-user none of it matters, and that's why the vertical integration is nice.

Probably true. The whole vertical integration does rub me the wrong way though, it's just uncomfortable to have one company own so much of my personal computing infrastructure, especially one that is so unfriendly to "tinkerers" like me.

Yes because the 10% market share that Apple has in computers is really worrying…

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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I corrected myself; being introduced in 1993 does not mean it was supported by all the Apple utilities since start, at once. Also, it is not an user friendly solution. Do you know, how it really worked? Mac users were sharing QT pro keys. Most had zero interest in the pro features, except full screen playback. It took Apple almost two decades to fix this.

It was very well supported. I had a Mac LC II back then. And your previous comments about the history of Apple makes me think that your memory or experience during that time is spotty.

Well supported? Outside of Apple-only SVQ3 and QDM2, it was deserted wasteland. All the videos you could play on PC, it was pita on a Mac. Even if you eventually had divx codec, you had to convert avis to movs.

But it is already established in this thread by others, that you have your own, RDF-like experience of what happened; no point in trying to discuss any further.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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I see you don't know how presumption of innocence works. I'm not a fan of Microsoft, but the same applies to them as anyone else. You can be sued for anything, whether true or not. In the court, it must be proven that you did what you are sued for. So it is either proven, or not, and then the court issues the verdict. If it is not, like in Microsoft's case, they are still innocent. It does not matter whether it was i…

Again you don’t know your history. Microsoft paid Apple a settlement fee as part of the overarching deal they made with Apple back in 1997.

The 1997 settlement was about making peace between these two companies. It had nothing to do with the 1994 lawsuit.

Btw, the result was that "Apple cannot get patent-like protection for the idea of a graphical user interface, or the idea of a desktop metaphor [under copyright law].."

If you want to know how it looks when Microsoft did stole something, look at Stacker. Entirely different evidence, entirely different result, including entirely punishment.

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