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Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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You realize there are multiple XPS laptop models, right? Not to mention you are overexaggerating the alleged negative aspects quite a lot . Are you really that addicted to the Apple kool-aid? Go look at some of the Asus models than if you think an XPS can't compete. Weighed less than a macbook air, more port including ethernet (via a HDMI port), something like 21 hours of battery life, weight was slightly under a pou…

So, now you’re going to find the Asus or Dell that has - 16 hours battery life - fanless - doesn’t scorch my nuts - performance? - a decent display - and doesn’t weigh a ton? So please tell me how the Mac keeps you from running the software you want. But you named how great the objectively shitty Dell is. You’ve already struck out with the Dell, care to try again with Asus? Can you cite a review of an Asus that compa…

Yeah. I already told you there was an Asus that meets that criteria and has longer battery life.

Again, it's ridiculous to think Apple makes the very best lightweight powerful laptop given how diverse the PC market is. You're really durnk on that Apple kool-aid huh.

I didn't strike out with Dell at all. You found one review of one model and then exaggerated it.

You're the exact type of person that required coining the concept of an apple reality distortion field.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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The suggestion was simply that companies that make more than 10 billion should be forced to give back to society. That's it. To be against that is indeed hard core capitalism, bordering on religious fervor.

They do give back to society - they provide jobs, pay taxes, and mobile has created millions of jobs and put computers in billions of people’s pockets.

You very clearly miss the point, and indeed seem to be the type of hard core capitalist I alluded to in my previous comment.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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It’s not hard core capitalism. It’s that geeks hate when people make their own choices without government interference because normal people don’t care that they can’t run Linux on the Apple Pencil. It’s also naiveté to think that government power isn’t the most dangerous kind of power imaginable even though almost every law proposed by the government with regards to tech is roundly criticized by the same people.

> It’s also naiveté to think that government power isn’t the most dangerous kind of power imaginable That's only true if the market isn't free. If private businesses are not kept in check, they can (and have) overthrown government power. Ask me how I know!

Yes I’m sure Apple and Google are secretly conspiring to overthrow the government.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

#254

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They do give back to society - they provide jobs, pay taxes, and mobile has created millions of jobs and put computers in billions of people’s pockets.

You very clearly miss the point, and indeed seem to be the type of hard core capitalist I alluded to in my previous comment.

I’m hard core don’t trust giving the government more power. Corporations don’t have guns and the right to drag you to jail and take your stuff without a trial (civil forfeiture).

You want to see what government can do with power - look no further than Desantis or this…

https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2023/aug/20/police-newspap...

Or this

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Yes, that’s true if you rely on the “open” standard. Luckily I don’t have to because I use an integrated solution where the hardware, software and OS are made by the same company. We aren’t talking about “simultaneous” connections we are talking about switching between them. I’m not “confusing” anything. I’m saying that Apple’s integrated solution provides a better user experience. No one cares about how it’s done .…

Quite literally, the only point you have made is that iCloud can store Bluetooth MAC addresses across devices. > No one cares about how it’s done . Some markets do: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A... Next though, you'll tell me that those democratically elected officials aren't "people", and are more profit-motivated than a business. Whatever helps you sleep at night, I suppose.

Again, why do I care why it happens. Your “open” standards leads to a shittier experience.

> Next though, you'll tell me that those democratically elected officials aren't "people", and are more profit-motivated than a business. Whatever helps you sleep at night, I suppose

It’s cute that you think politicians represent “the people” considering how PACs work or that you think they are “democratically” elected considering how gerrymandered most districts are.

Then you got to consider how each state has an equal number of senators regardless of population.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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So, now you’re going to find the Asus or Dell that has - 16 hours battery life - fanless - doesn’t scorch my nuts - performance? - a decent display - and doesn’t weigh a ton? So please tell me how the Mac keeps you from running the software you want. But you named how great the objectively shitty Dell is. You’ve already struck out with the Dell, care to try again with Asus? Can you cite a review of an Asus that compa…

Yeah. I already told you there was an Asus that meets that criteria and has longer battery life. Again, it's ridiculous to think Apple makes the very best lightweight powerful laptop given how diverse the PC market is. You're really durnk on that Apple kool-aid huh. I didn't strike out with Dell at all. You found one review of one model and then exaggerated it. You're the exact type of person that required coining th…

So somewhere there is an Asus, yet you can’t name it, can’t find a review of it and I’m suppose to just believe you based on your recommendation of a shitty Dell?

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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You very clearly miss the point, and indeed seem to be the type of hard core capitalist I alluded to in my previous comment.

I’m hard core don’t trust giving the government more power. Corporations don’t have guns and the right to drag you to jail and take your stuff without a trial (civil forfeiture). You want to see what government can do with power - look no further than Desantis or this… https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2023/aug/20/police-newspap... Or this https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...

Requiring megacorps to give back to society (which, no, selling their products and providing jobs is NOT what was being talked about when giving back to society was mentioned, what a ridiculous take) doesn't require government overreach, just regulation which other countries manage fine, other countries that are nowhere near the illiterate uneven class disaster the US has become.

Government overreach is a legitimate concern in some cases, but not here. Regulating megacorps is something the US needs, and society would be all the better for it.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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They don't necessarily have to: there's another, more comprehensive hammer they (or the US for that matter) could use: disallow vertical integration. Force hardware vendors to only sell hardware. If any software that can be changed remotely or by the user is off limits. Even firmware. Conversely, software vendors can only sell (or freely distribute) software. For vendors from abroad, don't go extra-territorial, just…

I get you in principle, but the company should still be allowed to sell hardware with some default software installed, because if I had to search for someone on the internet that wrote software for my specific smart TV, washing machine or whatever this becomes much more painful. I would rather see a 'right to repair' extended to software bundled. Any device or software that can connect to a network or can be interfac…

Trying to leverage right to repair to apply to software, as a way to demand source for commercial apps is a huge stretch.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

#259

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I’m hard core don’t trust giving the government more power. Corporations don’t have guns and the right to drag you to jail and take your stuff without a trial (civil forfeiture). You want to see what government can do with power - look no further than Desantis or this… https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2023/aug/20/police-newspap... Or this https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...

Requiring megacorps to give back to society (which, no, selling their products and providing jobs is NOT what was being talked about when giving back to society was mentioned, what a ridiculous take) doesn't require government overreach, just regulation which other countries manage fine, other countries that are nowhere near the illiterate uneven class disaster the US has become. Government overreach is a legitimate…

It’s a conspiracy theory that the government abuses power? Civil forfeiture, the links I gave you where there is a documented abuse of power, Desantis - a presidential candidate punished a private corporation for speaking out against a policy and running a campaign on fighting the free speech rights of anyone who doesn’t agree with him in Florida (where I live). Those are all figments of my imagination?

Do you like any of the previous laws the government has passed or tried to pass with relationship to tech?

And the EU isn’t exactly a role model for innovation and success in the tech industry.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

#260

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Yeah. I already told you there was an Asus that meets that criteria and has longer battery life. Again, it's ridiculous to think Apple makes the very best lightweight powerful laptop given how diverse the PC market is. You're really durnk on that Apple kool-aid huh. I didn't strike out with Dell at all. You found one review of one model and then exaggerated it. You're the exact type of person that required coining th…

So somewhere there is an Asus, yet you can’t name it, can’t find a review of it and I’m suppose to just believe you based on your recommendation of a shitty Dell?

Again, the Dell wasn't shitty. You went out of your way to overexaggerate any flaws it may have had lol. I didn't even really check out your review because I've done my research in the past and know they have models that compete with macbooks. I told you it was an Asus B series, don't remember the exact model, but go visit their page. They advertise the fact it has more battery life and is lighter, it isn't hard to find.

The problem here is you're addicted to the Apple kool-aid and will bend over backwards to deny any non Apple product could be superior.

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