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Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by c0pium »

revscat wrote: post #239
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #216

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This is the answer. Money talks, so give your money to businesses that earn it. "But it's not as convenient!" I hear some yell. Then it's obviously not enough of a bother to you, so just suck it up and deal with their bad behavior. Because until you take your money elsewhere, nothing will change. And why should it? They obviously haven't crossed a line for enough people. Which means it'll just get worse.

This path doesn’t seem to work very well.

Society’s stated preference is things like healthy food, paying as opposed to ads (not being the product), and no notifications.

Society’s revealed preference is McDonald’s, watching YouTube ads, and letting apps send whatever notifications they want to.

In general people care about the trade offs between cost and convenience, between cost and style, and not at all about anything so mundane as value, privacy, or peace of mind.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by nucleardog »

jacquesm wrote: post #115
TeMPOraL wrote: post #101

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> That decision is being made by a person who you should be able to find and share your concern with. Good point, and it generalizes to pretty much all the social problems "created by" tech. The technology is fine . Behind each misuse is a person or a group that commissioned said tech, and/or is applying it in malicious ways. Focusing on ills of technology, while ignoring the people wielding it for wrong, is just a d…

Yes, but good luck getting those people to see things your way.

You don’t need to.

“I don’t use email anymore. I need you to communicate any important information about my child’s education to me through other means. Would you rather send notices home with my child or call my home phone?”

Or some variant thereof. “I reviewed the privacy policy and have serious concerns, no longer agree with the terms of use and cannot use this platform.” (I’m sure if you go read it it won’t even be a lie; all the ones I’ve seen have been awful.) Or “My phone broke and I can’t afford a new one so I can’t check my email.” Or “I’ve had a religious revelation and will no longer be making use of any technology created after 1970.”

Once someone has to make an active decision to contact you instead of just mass-spamming the entire school with a button press I guarantee nobody goes “Yeah, I really should call jacquesm and ask if he can bring coffee to the PTA meeting.”

You might be the first person to ask for an accommodation but it doesn’t mean that it can’t be done, just that it hasn’t.

My daughter is a bit younger, but I’ve never used the various platforms, Facebook pages, etc that all the daycares are trying to use. They figure it out. Hasn’t caused any problems yet.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

This thread has people explaining how they've got notifications disabled, which makes a lot of sense. But remember that most of us are techies here. The average teenager doesn't know what "Unix" means, and plausibly just accepts the default settings for most apps.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by jbverschoor »

lostlogin wrote: post #53
jbverschoor wrote: post #43

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There's no way to flag spam / marketing. Uber for example occasionally sends marketing. But you can't really disable notifications. Instead, they (large companies) should just pay x cent per notification to Apple (not the user, because that would be seen as credit, eliminating the purpose)

That might work but what if the value of the spam notification is greater than Apples fee? Then it will carry on.

Flag more notifications as spam, which would increase the fee for that app.

As long as they get flagged, they’d need to pay more and more.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by punkybr3wster »

soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

Uber eats started doing that and it’s infuriating because you need the realtime notices for the app but then they send you non stop promos and make you jump through hoops to disable the marketing ones.

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Post by c0nducktr »

sa-code wrote: post #168
dataflow wrote: post #92

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Starbucks is like this. They deliberately bundle together "Promotions & Order Status" to make sure you receive their junk.

Sounds like a good reason to give your business to someone else

Sure, or we could make a law which prevents this kind of mixing of notifications.

I, as a consumer would appreciate this.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by saganus »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #202
donmcronald wrote: post #179

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That's exactly what I do! Google and Apple could instantly fix the problem (of co-mingling essential and marketing notifications) if they wanted to . The current situation is like getting opted in to "street signs and flashing billboards". It's stupid.

I have an iOS device, so can’t speak for Google, but I suspect that’s what Apple has been _trying_ to do. The problem is that these apps are essentially adversarial in their notifications. If you have a mechanism for “only the most essential notifications”, then they simply mark all their notifications as “essential” (looking at you Uber). Try to limit their notifications using “only is summary” or disabling them and…

I use Glasswire (Android) and block apps from accesing the internet, when not using them (e.g. Uber).

It's a bit of pain to turn it on before use, and off again afterwards, but I've realized it's much less stressful than having notifications popping up at all times.

YMMV

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Post by tomjen3 »

soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

I hate all delivery apps that don't use whatever that puts the persistent thing on your iphone screen. It was made for that, dammit.

My solution to your problem is to just open the app, it defeats the purpose of notifications but I order rarely enough that it isn't a really big problem.

However just sending people straight to voicemail doesn't work in a surprisingly high number of cases - I had a voicemail from a person that was just "Hello, hello, hello". Like WTF. Explain why you were calling, thats the point of voicemail.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by justsomehnguy »

LanceH wrote: post #238
soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

I just got a new phone and DND was on by default. I can't figure out how to get it to accept calls without turning off DND for everything.

Set the ring volume to 0 Use the silent ringtone as default Use the silent ringtone as default, assing a custom ringtone for anyone you need to hear.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by matteoraso »

Eumenes wrote: post #175

Article quotes kids as young as 11-14 being inundated by notifications ... kids that age do not need phones. Its really that simple. Parents need to start being parents again.

The problem is peer pressure and the fact that most parents want to have a way to be in contact with their children at all times. You could get your kid a flip phone, but your kid is going to be an outcast if anybody finds out.
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