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Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by cptskippy »

gnicholas wrote: post #150
soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

Uber and Lyft do this too. They’re taking a page from the LinkedIn playbook and creating new categories of notifications, which you then have to hunt down and disable. There isn’t one unified settings area for all notifications, which makes this extra tricky.

> There isn’t one unified settings area for all notifications, which makes this extra tricky.

Perhaps not in the App but in the OS there is. On Android you can pull a notification to the side to reveal a settings icon. Open it and click the settings icon in the top right to reveal granular app notification settings and the option to completely disable notifications.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by nothingnew2 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #101
ryandrake wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But some of it, mostly associated with my kids schooling, is very hard to avoid. 10 emails per week about some school portal with 'an important message' that ends up being nonsense but you're not able to block it because one day an actually important message might show up. > Tech should serve us This problem isn't really the tech, it's the people behind these messages. Complain to them. You shouldn't be getting "OM…

> That decision is being made by a person who you should be able to find and share your concern with. Good point, and it generalizes to pretty much all the social problems "created by" tech. The technology is fine . Behind each misuse is a person or a group that commissioned said tech, and/or is applying it in malicious ways. Focusing on ills of technology, while ignoring the people wielding it for wrong, is just a d…

Rejecting "technology" is, IMHO, a perfectly rational response to the typical layers of consultants, sales teams, and general lack of knowledge of the fundamentals of tech that result in the isses described above. You can't win.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by nothingnew2 »

MichaelRo wrote: post #38

My kid (soon to be 11 years old) has this problem and is (almost) driving me nuts. There are three causes of this: 1) He's dumb. Will click and install on any crap he comes by. 2) He doesn't know to operate his phone. Every now and then I take his phone and turn off notifications for the apps I saw that popped them. #3: This one's mysterious to me as well. Somehow they (the notifications) get re-enabled back. I'm dis…

>in the hands of a kid, today's phone technology and it's inability to stop this crap it's the incarnation of evil.

Yet you continue to pay his phone bills.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by pradn »

thenerdhead wrote: post #34

Jonathan Haidt has done a great job advocating this problem and is writing a book coming out this next year called "The Anxious Generation": https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/phone-free-schools https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/sapien-smartphone-repor... https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/social-media-mental-ill... This isn't something that can be solved with "better tech". It is something that is solved with…

There’s absolutely no need for a book length treatment for this problem, but the way ideas work in this society, they aren’t taken seriously unless there’s a single-topic book with a catchy title, with an attendant book store tour, podcast blitz, and morning show invite.

It’s incredibly obvious that we should not be on our phones all time, and more so for kids.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by xyst »

MichaelRo wrote: post #38

My kid (soon to be 11 years old) has this problem and is (almost) driving me nuts. There are three causes of this: 1) He's dumb. Will click and install on any crap he comes by. 2) He doesn't know to operate his phone. Every now and then I take his phone and turn off notifications for the apps I saw that popped them. #3: This one's mysterious to me as well. Somehow they (the notifications) get re-enabled back. I'm dis…

The true problem here is you. You are the parent. Teach your child properly. This is your responsibility.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by gnicholas »

cptskippy wrote: post #161
gnicholas wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber and Lyft do this too. They’re taking a page from the LinkedIn playbook and creating new categories of notifications, which you then have to hunt down and disable. There isn’t one unified settings area for all notifications, which makes this extra tricky.

> There isn’t one unified settings area for all notifications, which makes this extra tricky. Perhaps not in the App but in the OS there is. On Android you can pull a notification to the side to reveal a settings icon. Open it and click the settings icon in the top right to reveal granular app notification settings and the option to completely disable notifications.

Yeah I think iOS has some level of granularity, like "time-sensitive" versus other notifications, but you can't disable marketing versus ride-related notifications in one predictable place (you have to hunt through the app's privacy settings, IIRC, to find at least some of them). I wish Apple would provide a per-app setting that controlled necessary versus unnecessary notifications.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by lolinder »

MichaelRo wrote: post #127
sergiomattei wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You handed your 11 year old a smartphone? That’s brave. My parents handed me one when I was in 9th grade.

Not only that, he's using my Google account, so it's managed as one of my devices :) With full access to unrestricted YouTube premium, Google Play, etc. He's only got limits with respect to the time he spends on the phone or PC. So far hasn't discovered or been interested in "naughty" content. I was forced to live in the "middle ages", communist Romania with no TV, no electricity, go to bed at candle's light, half an…

You don't have to pick between leaving your kid completely unsheltered from exploitation by capitalist forces and being Amish.

You yourself have seen that your kid isn't ready to fend off the exploitation by himself. Setting up parental controls on the phone is in exactly the same category as providing him with food and clothing and shelter—you're supposed to do for him what he can't yet do for himself.

You can work on teaching him how to resist exploitation over time, but it's irresponsible to expose him to the worst excesses of capitalism while he's clearly so unprepared.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by sa-code »

dataflow wrote: post #92
alexanderchr wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a breach of trust. I give apps access to my immediate attention so they can notify me of things that need my attention. Not for telling me about their new features or some crappy partner deal. For this reason I have a one strike policy for apps. One marketing notification and permissions are revoked. Missing out on surprisingly little although it has made me stop using some services entirely.

Starbucks is like this. They deliberately bundle together "Promotions & Order Status" to make sure you receive their junk.

Sounds like a good reason to give your business to someone else

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by prepend »

alexanderchr wrote: post #79
soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

It is a breach of trust. I give apps access to my immediate attention so they can notify me of things that need my attention. Not for telling me about their new features or some crappy partner deal. For this reason I have a one strike policy for apps. One marketing notification and permissions are revoked. Missing out on surprisingly little although it has made me stop using some services entirely.

I have something similar. I have one strike and I check for an app specific notification.

Then I call them a jerk, turn off all nonessential notifications and give them one more strike.

Interestingly, this works half the time.

I’m waiting for Apple to eventually fix this and expect this is how they’ll implement local AI with having really nice notification filters of “block messages like this.”

Of course google could do this, but I don’t think they’re interested in reducing notifications and popups based on the number of times google asks if I want to sign in or use my local to improve results. I’ve clicked “no” thousands of times yet they persist in asking.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by clnq »

scottmcdot wrote: post #50
bengale wrote: post #14

Almost everything that wants to send me a notification get put into scheduled summary on my phone. It’s much easier to deal with them a few times a day rather than at random times.

How do you do that? I would love the ability to "batch" notifications from certain apps. Eg every second hour they notify, if any notification is pending.

For iOS - https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201925 On Android, I believe there are apps that will copy and dismiss your notifications, so you have a similar experience.
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